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View Poll Results: What do you think if his 1st final opponent was someone like philippoussis?
Yes, it would have been a different story with multiple slams for him by now 9 18.75%
Yes, he might have won one slam by now at least 20 41.67%
No, once a clown always a clown 12 25.00%
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What if Murray's first slam final opponent was a non-slam winner like Philippoussis?

if murray played a fading player of the previous era in his first slam final, what do you think his career would have looked like by now? would he still been a slamless player or would he have built on his first slam win and been a different force by now? sometimes one win is all it takes and maybe murray would have liked an easier opponent in his first couple of slam finals......vote and discuss......
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Re: What if Murray's first slam final opponent was a non-slam winner like Philippouss

Or Puerta.

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Or Tsonga.

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Re: What if Murray's first slam final opponent was a non-slam winner like Philippouss

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Or Puerta.
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Or Tsonga.
the problem with that type of argument is that, nadal and djokovic did gun down the no.1 player in the semis in the respective tournaments......
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...then he would have had a better chance to win the slam.

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Re: What if Murray's first slam final opponent was a non-slam winner like Philippouss

Stop giving the guy excuses.

We all know that Murray would have lost in the final if he was playing Oprah Winfrey.

He is not a champion unlike Nadal and Djokovic, and if you have never won a Grand Slam before, chances are you never will no matter how many finals you may or may not make.
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"What if" thread, we need more of these.

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Stop giving the guy excuses.

We all know that Murray would have lost in the final if he was playing Oprah Winfrey.

He is not a champion unlike Nadal and Djokovic, and if you have never won a Grand Slam before, chances are you never will no matter how many finals you may or may not make.
i am not even close to being his fan but i think he is slightly unfortunate to be playing in this strong era......

he had the challenge of overcoming two all time greats back to back at us open 2008 and AO 2010......that is simply a very tough ask......
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Or for that matter, Agassi (in 1990).

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i am not even close to being his fan but i think he is slightly unfortunate to be playing in this strong era......

he had the challenge of overcoming two all time greats back to back at us open 2008 and AO 2010......that is simply a very tough ask......
Same all-time great. Federer.
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i am not even close to being his fan but i think he is slightly unfortunate to be playing in this strong era......

he had the challenge of overcoming two all time greats back to back at us open 2008 and AO 2010......that is simply a very tough ask......
tough to say but this era is not better than any other so that excuse goes out the window. He has not played that great in Grand Slam finals but he did have some very tough opposition in Federer and Djokovic.

honestly who knows if it would make a difference. we have no idea if the reason Murray has failed is more because of himself or his opponents at this point, but I'm sure we'll figure this out in the future.

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tough to say but this era is not better than any other so that excuse goes out the window. He has not played that great in Grand Slam finals but he did have some very tough opposition in Federer and Djokovic.

honestly who knows if it would make a difference. we have no idea if the reason Murray has failed is more because of himself or his opponents at this point, but I'm sure we'll figure this out in the future.
correct.....2002-2006 was filled with dog fighters at the top of the rankings.....
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Why do people on here talk like it's a great shame that he has not won a slam.

For everyone else in the world it's a huge shock that he even made it past the 4th round of a Slam once, let alone made 3 Slam finals with a non-existent forehand, no second serve and no weaponry at all.

Surely everything else Murray achieves from now is just gravy because he has already done WAY more than his talent should have allowed already.
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Stop giving the guy excuses.

We all know that Murray would have lost in the final if he was playing Oprah Winfrey.

He is not a champion unlike Nadal and Djokovic, and if you have never won a Grand Slam before, chances are you never will no matter how many finals you may or may not make.
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He would find way to lose.

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