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Are Murray and Federer of the same standard?

Just wondering. Does anyone else believe that Andy Murray, a 3-time slam finalist (who has a winning H2H over Federer) should be judged by the same standards of Roger Federer, a 23-time slam finalist (and 16-time slam winner)? Does Andy Murray's current achievements allow him to be judged (for better or for worse) on the same level as Federer? Do they represent the same benchmark?

Or should they be categorized separately in relation to their success?
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This is Federer you're on about, there's no way Murray could be classed the same, don't be so stupid... I'm a Murray supporter but it's stupid to compare, Murray is a top draw player but he has a long way to go to be compared, he has the potential to equal Nadal maybe, not Federer.
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If you are planning to use this as some sort of convoluted ploy to demonstrate that Federer is still playing at his peak ability and his losses are down to the field - esp. Djokovic - catching up, then you should know that it will only end up making sense in your mind. Well, possibly also SdG's.

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Re: Are Murray and Federer of the same standard?

They both play tennis at the same tournaments, so of course they can be compared, or am I missing something?

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This is Federer you're on about, there's no way Murray could be classed the same, don't be so stupid... I'm a Murray supporter but it's stupid to compare, Murray is a top draw player but he has a long way to go to be compared, he has the potential to equal Nadal maybe, not Federer.
What exactly did you have in mind when thinking Murray has the potential to equal Nadal, a 10-time Grand Slam champion ?

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They both play tennis at the same tournaments, so of course they can be compared, or am I missing something?
OP is trying to prove that since Fed won 16 slams and still makes the semis, this season is indicative of Fed's best tennis abilities and Novak's wins over him this season prove Novak to be the better overall player, ignoring the age difference. Murray doesnt really have much to do with it.

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Re: Are Murray and Federer of the same standard?

This is a stupid question based on a conflation of 2 different meanings of "standard", viz., an individual's level of attainment, & the measure of that level of attainment. If you don't apply the measure uniformly, you can't compare individuals. Murray clearly should be judged by the same standard as Federer - i.e., that of success in tennis tournaments - and when he is, we can say he's a lesser player.

I mean surely that's freaking obvious?

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What exactly did you have in mind when thinking Murray has the potential to equal Nadal, a 10-time Grand Slam champion ?
Well you take the clay factor out of it, thats what, 4/5 dirt rat slams away from his 10... Then the fact he peaked early and maybe murray will do so a bit later which is the way its looking just now. Throw in the fact nadal has a dodgey knee and that he's not going to get any better now than his prime ..... Its not impossible to say in 5 years Murray may have won a few slams and is then comparable to Nadal.
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I suppose you want to ask if there achievements from now on should be judged the same way? You might be right, wouldn't surprise me the will win about the same for the rest of their careers. Murray a little more titles, Federer some more important ones.

Wow, people thinking Murray to catch up to Nadal!I don't think so.
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Murray is NOT qualified to tie the shoelaces of Roger Federer;NEVER was;NEVER will!

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He is however, qualified to beat him at tennis. Roger has Mirka to tie his laces for him.

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OP is trying to prove that h2h has nothing to do with the GOAT debate by suggesting that Murray is obviously not level with Federer in accomplishments, yet has a winning h2h against him - therefore h2h is meaningless as the inferior player has more often than not beat the superior player in their matches.

By extension of this logic, Federer is better than Nadal.

OP may also aim to create a Murray-bashing thread which he/she should leave to yours truly since it is my domain.

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This is Federer you're on about, there's no way Murray could be classed the same, don't be so stupid... I'm a Murray supporter but it's stupid to compare, Murray is a top draw player but he has a long way to go to be compared, he has the potential to equal Nadal maybe, not Federer.
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Well you take the clay factor out of it, thats what, 4/5 dirt rat slams away from his 10... Then the fact he peaked early and maybe murray will do so a bit later which is the way its looking just now. Throw in the fact nadal has a dodgey knee and that he's not going to get any better now than his prime ..... Its not impossible to say in 5 years Murray may have won a few slams and is then comparable to Nadal.
Let's take the hardcourt factor away from Murray then.

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