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Nadal and Djokovic Retirements and Walkovers (Tipsarevic is Retirment King)

So I did some research, and here are the stats:

Nadal:

None in juniors

2-6 ret. Vs. Richie Gasquet in French Challenger 2003 R16
W/O to Irakli Labadze in Estoril QF 2004
3-6 ret. Vs. Dominik Hrbaty in Auckland 2005
6-3, 3-6 ret. Vs. Lleyton Hewitt in Queens 2006 QF
5-6 ret. Vs. Chris Guccione in Sydney 2007 R32
6-7, 1-4 ret. Vs Pico Monaco in Cincy R32 2007
1-6 ret. Vs Davydenko in Paris 2008 QF
3-6, 6-7, 0-3 ret. Vs. Andy Murray in Aussie Open 2010 QF

Only 7 retirements and only 1 walkover in his career. From 652 career ATP matches, 6 retirements, less than 1% retirement rate.


Djokovic:

Juniors:

6-2, 1-2 ret. Vs. Josh Goodall in a final in 2003

Pro:

7-6, 5-7, 0-2 ret. Mohammad Mamoun R32 In a Serbia F6 2003
6-4, 2-6, 2-3 ret. Vs. Guillermo Coria R64 at Roland Garros 2005
W/O to Galo Blanco at Stuttgart Qualies 2005
6-4, 4-6 ret. Vs. Yuriy Schukin in Metz Qualies 2005
4-6, 4-6, ret. Vs. Rafael Nadal Quarterfinals Roland Garros 2006
6-6 ret. Vs. Stan Wawrinka Finals of Umag 2006
6-3, 1-6, 1-4 ret. Vs. Rafael Nadal Semifinals of Wimbledon 2007
6-4, 6-3, 4-6, ret. Vs. Nikolay Davydenko Davis Cup 1st round 2008
3-6, 2-3 ret. Vs. Roger Federer Monte Carlo 2008 Semifinals
7-6, 4-6, 2-6, 1-2 ret. Vs. Andy Roddick Australian Open 2009 Quarterfinals
4-6 ret. Vs. Filip Krajinovic in Belgrade 2010 Quarterfinals
4-6, 0-3 ret. Vs. Murray in Cincy 2011 Finals
6-7, 0-3 ret. Vs, Juan Martin Del Potro in Davis Cup Semis 2011
W/O to Jo-Wilfried Tsonga in Paris 2011

So 12 retirements plus one in the juniors, 13, and 2 walkovers. From 500 career ATP matches, 11 retirements. Djokovic retires 2.2% of the time, well over double the rate of Nadal.

Bottom line, neither guy really retires that much, but Djokovic does more often.

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how does djokovic's retirement % compare to federer's?
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Nole needs a retirement at USO to complete the CGS.

Can you bring up some stats for Tipsy? iirc he has achieved a career golden slam, and i wouldn't be surprised to know he had retired in at least half the Maaters tournaments

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he retires even when hes having a fantastic year
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how does djokovic's retirement % compare to federer's?
Federer only has one career retirement, and it was in the Juniors.

4-6 ret. Vs. Bob Borella in QF of a Belgian Junior Event in 1998.

And he also has the W/O to Blake in Paris 2008 QF.

Other than that, nothing from Federer in 983 ATP matches.

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Lol, 11 retirements from 500 ATP matches, and people whine like it was 200 at least or something like that. Thanks for compiling the stats, good work

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Can you bring up some stats for Tipsy? iirc he has achieved a career golden slam, and i wouldn't be surprised to know he had retired in at least half the Maaters tournaments
Tipsarevic has:

None in Juniors

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1-6, 0-3, ret. Vs. Mariano Delfino in R32 Budapest Challenger Qualies 2002
W/O to Ruben Ramirez Hidalgo in R16 Lugano Challenger 2002
0-3 ret. vs. Ignacio Gonzalez-King in Hungarian Challenger 2003 R16
4-6, 0-1 ret. vs. Marc Rosset in 2003 R16 Prague Challenger
6-3, 3-6, 3-4 ret. vs. Peter Luczak in Buenos Aires Qualies 2005
3-6, 0-2 ret. vs. George Bastl in Miami Qualies 2006
1-6, 2-4 ret. vs. Lleyton Hewitt in Adelaide 2007 RR
7-6, 6-4, 6-7, 0-6, 1-2 ret. to Dave Nalbandian in AO 2007 R128
0-2 ret. to Victor Hanescu in Umag 2007 R32
2-6, 3-6, 2-3 to Rafa Nadal in USO 2007 R64
W/O to Ljubo in Doha 2008 R16
5-6 ret. to Ilia Bozoljac in in R32 Belgrade Challenger 2008
4-6, 2-4 ret. to Gulbis in Barcelona 2008 R64
6-7, 3-2 ret. to O. Rochus in Olympics 2008 R32
2-6, 0-1 ret. to Sam Warburg at USO 2008 R128
6-7, 3-6 ret. to Andy Murray R32 French Open 2009
1-6, 2-4 ret. to Monfils in Metz QF 2009
2-3 ret. to De Bakker in Indian Wells R64 2010
2-2 ret. to Kohlschreiber in Canada R64 2010
W/O to Djokovic in Belgrade 2011 SF
6-7, 6-3, 3-5 ret. to Seppi in Eastbourne 2011 Finals
5-7, 1-3 ret. to Karlovic Wimbledon R128 2011
6-7, 7-6, 0-6, 0-3, ret. to Djokovic at USO 2011 QF
1-5 ret. to Flo Mayer in Basel R32 2011

21 retirements and 3 walkovers. In 348 career ATP matches, he has 17 retirements and 2 walkovers. A remarkable 4.88% retirement rate for Tipsy

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Australian Open
Roland Garros
Wimbledon
USO x3
Olympics
Indian Wells
Canada
Miami (Qualies)


So all 4 slams, the Olympics, and 3 of the Masters

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Lol, 11 retirements from 500 ATP matches, and people whine like it was 200 at least or something like that. Thanks for compiling the stats, good work
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5 retirements in one year, damn.

Fish has retired twice in a row, both times being ahead on the scoreboard, if I'm not mistaken. That's pretty cool.
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Josh Goodall beat Djokovic?
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It would make more sense to compare these numbers to the weighted average of the atp tour to give some actual meaning to them.

No top ATP player retires a lot by definition, since they wouldn't win that many matches unless they always retired in the semis or finals or something.

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Was never impressed with Petkovic's (WTA) decision to play thru the pain. Struck me as a bit pretentious and silly. Considering the demands of the tour, why risk injury? Have to look out for number #1, no pun intended.

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So I did some research, and here are the stats:

Nadal:

None in juniors

2-6 ret. Vs. Richie Gasquet in French Challenger 2003 R16
W/O to Irakli Labadze in Estoril QF 2004
3-6 ret. Vs. Dominik Hrbaty in Auckland 2005
6-3, 3-6 ret. Vs. Lleyton Hewitt in Queens 2006 QF
5-6 ret. Vs. Chris Guccione in Sydney 2007 R32
6-7, 1-4 ret. Vs Pico Monaco in Cincy R32 2007
1-6 ret. Vs Davydenko in Paris 2008 QF
3-6, 6-7, 0-3 ret. Vs. Andy Murray in Aussie Open 2010 QF

Only 7 retirements and only 1 walkover in his career. From 652 career ATP matches, 6 retirements, less than 1% retirement rate.


Djokovic:

Juniors:

6-2, 1-2 ret. Vs. Josh Goodall in a final in 2003

Pro:

7-6, 5-7, 0-2 ret. Mohammad Mamoun R32 In a Serbia F6 2003
6-4, 2-6, 2-3 ret. Vs. Guillermo Coria R64 at Roland Garros 2005
W/O to Galo Blanco at Stuttgart Qualies 2005
6-4, 4-6 ret. Vs. Yuriy Schukin in Metz Qualies 2005
4-6, 4-6, ret. Vs. Rafael Nadal Quarterfinals Roland Garros 2006
6-6 ret. Vs. Stan Wawrinka Finals of Umag 2006
6-3, 1-6, 1-4 ret. Vs. Rafael Nadal Semifinals of Wimbledon 2007
6-4, 6-3, 4-6, ret. Vs. Nikolay Davydenko Davis Cup 1st round 2008
3-6, 2-3 ret. Vs. Roger Federer Monte Carlo 2008 Semifinals
7-6, 4-6, 2-6, 1-2 ret. Vs. Andy Roddick Australian Open 2009 Quarterfinals
4-6 ret. Vs. Filip Krajinovic in Belgrade 2010 Quarterfinals
4-6, 0-3 ret. Vs. Murray in Cincy 2011 Finals
6-7, 0-3 ret. Vs, Juan Martin Del Potro in Davis Cup Semis 2011
W/O to Jo-Wilfried Tsonga in Paris 2011

So 12 retirements plus one in the juniors, 13, and 2 walkovers. From 500 career ATP matches, 11 retirements. Djokovic retires 2.2% of the time, well over double the rate of Nadal.

Bottom line, neither guy really retires that much, but Djokovic does more often.
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The withdrawal of Kevin Anderson due to food poisoning cost me at the Winston-Salem Open recently and doubtless many more punters parted with their cash in the US Open when the players were dropping like flies once again.

With retirements and withdrawals seemingly becoming commonplace on the ATP Tour these days, I take an in-depth look at who exactly the serial quitters are, so we know to avoid this bunch when placing a bet.

I also find the most reliable players, in the wake of Andrea Petkovic saying recently: ‘I’d rather die than retire’ after playing on with a bad injury.

King of the current crop of quitters by a reasonable distance is feeble Frenchman, Michael Llodra, whose retirement in Montreal recently was the 25th of his career and puts him on an incredible mark of 27 when you add his two career withdrawals.

At the age of 31, Llodra’s status as the ‘sick note’ of tennis may not last much longer, so he’ll no doubt be hoping that he can squeeze a couple more in to overtake the recently retired (pardon the pun) Nicolas Kiefer, who chalked up a score of 28.

Following hard on Llodra’s doubtless soon-to-be-injured heels is Filippo Volandri, who weighs in with a total of 26, including 24 retirements and two withdrawals, but he has none in 2011.

Considering that the Italian has had at least one per year since 2001, I would suggest that Volandri is due for an early trip back to the locker room some time soon.

He’ll probably be joined there by Nikolay Davydenko, whose mark of 25 includes six withdrawals and who also has at least one instance of a default each year since 2001, but none yet this year.

A dark horse for Llodra’s unwanted title is world number 151, Jan Hajek, who weighs in with an unhealthy 23 retirements and three withdrawals, putting him just one behind Llodra overall.

Some of these guys have been playing for a long time, but the young guns are just as bad, with 27-year-old Janko Tipsarevic notching up 21 defaults so far.

Even more worrying is 22-year-old Juan Martin Del Potro, who has managed 15 defaults already, with only three of those coming after his wrist injury at the 2009 US Open.

Mischa Zverev turned 24 a few days ago and has an even more worrying 21 retirements and a withdrawal to his name in less than 150 career matches.

Others to watch out for when considering a wager are:- Marcos Daniel (23 defaults), Xavier Malisse (19, including one for a tantrum), Paul-Henri Mathieu (19), Victor Hanescu (18), Jose Acasuso (17) and a glut of players on 16, which includes Philipp Kohlschreiber, Richard Gasquet, Steve Darcis, Rob Kendrick and Rainer Schuettler.

There is also a group of players to keep an eye on that have between 12 and 15 defaults between them, which includes: Bogomolov, Istomin, Tursunov, Mayer, Stepanek, Roddick, Youzhny, Tsonga, Monfils, and Gonzalez.

Now for the good news. It’s quite well known that Roger Federer has never retired from a tour level match and only once withdrawn in almost 1000 career matches, but who knew about the following players?

Sam Querrey has retired just once - and that was in a Challenger back in 2006. He seems to be injured a lot, but has the good grace not to enter if he’s feeling less than 100 percent.

James Blake has the same great record as Federer (ironically, as Fed’s only withdrawal was against Blake) but in 568 matches.
Arnaud Clement has a single retirement and a single withdrawal from 633 matches, while Frederico Gil has one retirement (and why did he bother when he was 6-0, 6-0, 2-0 down to David Ferrer in Melbourne last year).

And there are good signs from Marin Cilic, whose only default in 284 matches came this year when withdrawing against Andy Murray at Queen’s.

There are a handful of players with zero blots on their copybook, but kudos goes to Alejandro Falla, whose 152 career matches have all been free of the scourge of the tennis punter - the retirement.

(Statistics correct up until 28th August 2011)
http://www.thesportsjournalist.co.uk...s-withdrawals/
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