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View Poll Results: Which year was better? Time travel match?
Federer's season in 2004 was better and would win the time travel match 112 56.00%
Federer's season in 2004 was better, but would lose the time travel match 4 2.00%
Djokovic's season in 2011 is better, and would win the time travel match 59 29.50%
Djokovic's season in 2011 is better, but would lose the time travel match 25 12.50%
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Arguments can also be made Federer 2007 vs. Djokovic 2011.

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Arguments can also be made Federer 2007 vs. Djokovic 2011.
It is incredible how many exceptional years Federer had.

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You overrate a bit the WTF's role in a season. I mean looking back at the whole season in late december, WTF looks more important than it really is. It's prestigious and definetely a good way to end the season but IMO it's not the best way to decide who's season is better.
WTF is the fifth most prestigious tournament of the year. Proving you're the best of the best is very hard task. But it's not only that. It's also about how many total losses Nole will have once the year is done.


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well this makes more sense.

novaks season is, I reckon, better at this point statistically. but, overall, feds season, for me, was hugely impressive as well, so much I wouldnt easily put this year above 2004. just when I though he will become a serial choker, he goes on and wins 3 slams which hasnt been done in ages - that alone lifted, I think, the level of tennis to a new level. also the field had lots of talent, more than today, and fed navigated through that beating his rivals left and right. was very impressive. if Id want to nitpick Id say safin that year could've done more but thats got little to do with fed, in the end.

take away lack of GOATS back than, and lack of top 10 talent today, if we talk greatness, its fairly equal imo, as far as single-season vs season go.

fed vs nole (...a topic we havent talked about recently...), I think we should look on with more intelligence than we usually do, and parse it. in a time travel match, played on a surface which suits them equally, which would be medium hard its down to a few points if they face off, a toss up. vs some abstract field which would combine that of 04 and 11, I give big edge to fed in an 'era' time frame, and not-so-big edge in a 'single season' time frame. you know that thing about feds effortless game, while it is hugely overblown by fed-tards, it stands. but like I said, over a single season novak has proven to be devastating, perhaps even more than roger, due to his lack of weakness. that some heavy shit not even fed had.

in essence, I think we shouldnt be as obsessed with these type of comparisons. but if you insist....

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Fed takes RG, W and USO. Nole might win in AO.
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Federer's season in 2004 was better and would win the time travel match.



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The competition was of higher class then than it is today.

Ditto. 7 top 10 players were slam winners. Says it all.

Now only 3 of the top 10 players are slam winners.
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Ditto. 7 top 10 players were slam winners. Says it all.

Now only 3 of the top 10 players are slam winners.
umm. but there isnt an infinite number of slams. fewer number of slam winners does not by itself mean anything.

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umm. but there isnt an infinite number of slams. fewer number of slam winners does not by itself mean anything.
That top 10 was of much better quality than the current one.
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The 2004 top 10 was better but the current top 5 is better than the 2004 top 5.
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That top 10 was of much better quality than the current one.

It wasn't. Roddick and Hewitt as #2 and #3 says it all.
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I'm not sure who had the better year (probably Federer), but Federer would win the match easily.

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The 2004 top 10 was better but the current top 5 is better than the 2004 top 5.

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Novak's brilliance doesn't match Roger's. Answer is simple: Fed 2004.
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It wasn't. Roddick and Hewitt as #2 and #3 says it all.
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