What tactics does/should Nadal employ against Djokovic, esp. Djokovic v.2.0? - MensTennisForums.com
View Poll Results: What offcourt work/on court tactic(s) should Nadal employ against Djoko 2.0?
More spin, especially more topspin 4 9.30%
Develop and employ a flat forehand 15 34.88%
Try going right-handed 7 16.28%
Hire Todd Martin to fix his serve 15 34.88%
Employ more of his trade mark variety 7 16.28%
Work on his DTL backhand 23 53.49%
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What tactics does/should Nadal employ against Djokovic, esp. Djokovic v.2.0?

With a confrontation looming at WTF, or even earlier in Paris, how should Nadal turn around his year against Djokovic?

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Re: What tactics does/should Nadal employ against Djokovic, esp. Djokovic v.2.0?

Nadull should remember the glory days when he led Faker 14-4 in the head to head.
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I know he has lost matches this year against eggman after winning the first set (Indian wells and Miami) but winning the first set would help. In four consecutive matches against Djokovic he has lost the first set.
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Re: What tactics does/should Nadal employ against Djokovic, esp. Djokovic v.2.0?

Learn how to serve.
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Re: What tactics does/should Nadal employ against Djokovic, esp. Djokovic v.2.0?

Pray for death.

He should speak to Roger and ask him what the secret to beating Novak is.

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Pray for death.

He should speak to Roger and ask him what the secret to beating Novak is.
yeah because he did a great job this year....4-1 for Nole
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Re: What tactics does/should Nadal employ against Djokovic, esp. Djokovic v.2.0?

Learn how to properly serve, especially the out-wide slice serve

Flat inside out FH/FH DTL.

Stop hitting to backhand all the time
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Re: What tactics does/should Nadal employ against Djokovic, esp. Djokovic v.2.0?

he needs his good friend Feli to teach him how to serve

he needs to look at his usopen 2010 footage(he was fantastic in all cynliders

he needs to hit deeper flatter shots more often in EVERY surface

he needs to stop being stubborn at times

he needs to make his BH(use to be his biggest weapon) to be his second weapon again

he needs to get NOVAK DJOKOVIC outta his head

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Re: What tactics does/should Nadal employ against Djokovic, esp. Djokovic v.2.0?

Some poster on this forum (Pirata I think) mentioned Nadal has trouble creating the sharp out-wide angle when serving because he's not a natural lefty like Lopez and Verdasco are. Could there be some truth in that? If you watch Lopez serve out wide the angle is absolutely sick, he wins so many free points with that lefty serve... Nadal these days, not so much. I've been watching the newly hyped ballbasher lefty Kvitova on WTA tour and embarrassingly, even she can create a better angle with her serve than Nadal.

He should really hire a serve coach, his problem is NOT ground game (although he could incorporate DTL backhand into his arsenal), but serve, I've said a million times I think. Not only is his first serve shit right now, his second serve, which used to be decent and reliable has deteriorated (just watch how many times Nadal DF'd this year)
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Some poster on this forum (Pirata I think) mentioned Nadal has trouble creating the sharp out-wide angle when serving because he's not a natural lefty like Lopez and Verdasco are. Could there be some truth in that? If you watch Lopez serve out wide the angle is absolutely sick, he wins so many free points with that lefty serve... Nadal these days, not so much. I've been watching the newly hyped ballbasher lefty Kvitova on WTA tour and embarrassingly, even she can create a better angle with her serve than Nadal.

He should really hire a serve coach, his problem is NOT ground game (although he could incorporate DTL backhand into his arsenal), but serve, I've said a million times I think. Not only is his first serve shit right now, his second serve, which used to be decent and reliable has deteriorated (just watch how many times Nadal DF'd this year)
OMG this is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO true, usually "NATURAL" left handers tend to do better at out-wide serves than any other righties(including Nadal), this is a great point especially when you brought up Kvitova(a.k.a. Kvitty), when i saw her play in Linz she was jus a BEAST, i mean yes she makes crazy easy errors but when her groundies are solid and consistant NO ONE can touch her, and her SERVE is such a deadly weapon, yes its not big, but jus enough can be extremely dangerous, especially if you add that side spin at the last second, this is why i major respect for left-hand players because their game is so exciting to watch, and Nando and Feli are incredible w/ their serves, Nandos best serve is actually down the T, i saw him use that serve most of the time and it works wonders for his game while his good friend Feli best serve is out-wide serve, i think Nadal should look at Kvitova matches on how to serve because shes serves incredibly well under pressure, and look up to his friend feli and nando for advice on how to tinker the serve,

now on the groudies, Nando hits alot flatter than both feli and rafa, he reminds me of his former gf(i should admit old flame) Ivanovic on how he hits and redirect his FH so well, but he adds spin while Ivanovic doesnt(dont remind me of what happened to her), rafa needs to learn how to hit his groundies like Nando because when nandos groundies is on its hard to break down tbh, i saw him play against rafa in Aus open sf 09, and the high quality of that match was the best ive ever seen that year, the way nando took it to rafa was jus unbelievable i thought he was gonna upset rafa for the first time in his career, but this loss tbh changed his confidence SIGNIFICANILY he was not performing consistantly like he did in 08 and back, so thats my theory for you on this subject

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look at these highlights of Kvitova
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Now to think about it what Ivanovic and Verdasco have in common is
Full of confidence on a consistant basis = Hard to beat
Lack of confidence in almost every tournament = Tragic ending to the story

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Re: What tactics does/should Nadal employ against Djokovic, esp. Djokovic v.2.0?

Have Uncle tony make him disappear Within the game of tennis he has no chance.
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you wish that would happen
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Raise the white flag. Nadal has always had trouble with the Djoker but Djokovic never believed in himself enough. Nadal also had a physical advantage but that is gone. Tennis wise Djokovic was always more talented. The Djokovic-Nadal rivalry reminds me of the Federer-Hewitt rivalry except that Nadal is 10 times the player Hewitt was.
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It won't matter what Nadal does, Djokovic is heading for early retirement with a back injury like this at age 24. Nadal just has to maintain his level. Nadal and Murray will be top 2.

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Maintain what level? The one where he went from being a set up against Murray in a final to being bageled by him in the deciding set? Or the one where he crashed out to Florian Mayer?
It's pretty clear that Djoko2.0 has stolen Nadal's mojo, and until Nadal beats him he's not getting it back- he'll just become more vulnerable to other players like what happened to Fed after losing on Grass and Hard to Nadal.
Yep, Nadal is really vulnerable to players like Dodig, Fish, Murray, but when the slams come, those guys seem to fade. Nadal beat Murray at the US Open for the first time ever, and is 4-1 vs Murray this year, including 3-0 in slams this year. The gap has never been greater.

Nadal has made 6 of the last 7 gs finals. That is the level I'm talking about. That equates to winning 3 slams per year when Djokovic's level slips, and it will, because he's not good enough to maintain it. Just as Nadal's level slipped from 2008 to 2009, jumped up again in 2010 and slipped from 2010 to 2011. Nobody can sustain their best level, everybody is up and down. Nadal need not even return to his more polished level of 2010, he can simply maintain 2011 level and take advantage of Djokovic's level dropping.

The difference is, Djokovic's 'off-year' is not good. Nadal's 'off-year' is reaching GS finals.

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