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Del Potro Poor Man's Soderling?

Earlier this year I proclaimed that Del Potro would be the future of the ATP. Afterall, Roger was turning 30 Nole had started off strong but had shown a propensity to struggle as the season goes on, Nadal looked like he was aging and Murray was still acting like Murray. But Del Potro has been complete shit. Perhaps the film everyone will watch when they prepare to play him his match against Simon. In that match Simon showed just how limited the Argentine is by simply tapping the ball back in play and letting the big guy break himself down.

When Del Potro won his major times were different. Nadal was worn out and injured. Federer, although coming off a Wimbledon win, wasn't playing well and lacked consistency against the best players.

So really what is Delpo? To me, he's just a poor Man's Soderling. I know Delpo fans will say that it's ridiculous to call a player who has won a GS a lesser version of a player who's never won one but i think in this situation it's precisely the case. Two big guys with good, not great serves who struggle at the net but can at times just destroy opponents by bludgeoning vicious groudies. Unfortunately for Delp his groundies this year have not been nearly as deep or close to the lines and opponents just break him down.

You would think that for a relatively young guy like Del Potro his problems are more related to confidence than lack of game but here I just don't think it's the case. He beat two of the hottest players on tour in Tipsarevic and Djokovic to help Serbia advance to the DC final. What happens after that? He gets beat in straights
On the same surface to a guy who was playing challengers two weeks ago.

Del Potro needs a new coach badly.
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Re: Del Potro Poor Man's Soderling?

Sure, i mean soderling has multiple grand slams and del potro just.... oh wait.

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's right. We have to also throw into the mix. But I do not think it is currently the decisive factor. But he has achieved in my opinion too much. Maybe this is crucial if I move him even closer after major victories. But 14 or 17 Grand Slam titles is a significant difference. At the present time there is no question that he must be the greater player than me.

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Re: Del Potro Poor Man's Soderling?

Someone on these forums has described Del Potro as "WTA player with male power" - which I completely agree with and think it's a spot on description. The guy has tons of weaknesses, no plan B, injury prone and his mental toughness is overrated. He can't win a masters or even string together a few decent wins. His wins over Nadal and Federer in USO 2009 is something that fuels his mystic image amongst his tards. Truth is, the guy is a brainless ball basher no better than the likes of Korolev or Gabashvili who simply happened to be in the right place and at the right time. He'll never win a slam again or be back amongst the top 5. As far as I am concerned, late 2009 was an anomaly. He's a big hitter, but no more than a speedbump for elite players in R4 of a slam
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Del Potro and Soderling are about the same imo.
I'd say Delpo has a tad more potential though because he moves faster. (At the same time, Soderling's serve is a little better but...) Anyway, we'll see what happens next year.

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Re: Del Potro Poor Man's Soderling?

Top 15 and 2 titles = complete shit?
(that #15 rank is with only 15 countable tournaments, by the way) Del Po will be fine; given what he went through and the long layoff he had, it was a successful comeback year.

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Del Potro is not doing so well at the moment but a slam winner (beating 2 all time greats in the process) being a poor man's version of a non-slam winner sounds kind of asinine no matter how I spin it.
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Relax. Del Potro is the future of tennis. He'll be the one to hit Nole off the court.
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Del Potro will surely be in the top 10 again, if he's stays healthy. I'd bet my life on it. To take anything out of the Blake loss is rather foolish. He had a very legit chance of cracking the top 8 THIS year if he played Asia, especially considering weak field, but skipped it to focus on DC. To skip Asia and miss out on a boatload of points and prize money is mind boggling. The writing was on the wall, and by his previous actions it's clear he had no motivation to do well in Stockholm.

Overall Delpo's year hasn't been as bad as people make it out to be. His GS results have been poor. He wasn't in form at all in AO, had a poor ranking going into RG/Wimbledon and lost to Djok/Nadal 4 sets early in tournament. There is no excuse for his Simon USO loss.

That said, he still has won 54.2% of points in all his matches. Only the big four and Ferrer are ahead of him. Oddsmakers value point percentage won greatly, it's a very good barometer for future success. A statistic alot of people overlook.

To call him a poor man's Soderling is not right. Del Potro definitely has potential to be much better than Soderling. He has already accomplished quite a bit, and alot of people forget he did just turn 23.

Right now with his current form he certainly isn't up there with top 4. To make the prediction he will be successful as Nadal, Federer and Djokovoic would be going way overboard. However, he's definitely the most viable canidate to win a GS outside the big 4 and expect him to be surely in the top 10 next year.
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Del Potro, Soderling, Berdych etc- they're all about equivalent. That is, they can serve and return big, bludgeon ground strokes, but not much more than that. They can't really change tactics based on an opponent, but when they're on, they hit every line. I don't see them doing more than the occasional great slam run. I don't actually seeing many players in that style having consistent success. Even the great Marat, who was an exceptional volleyer as well, wasn't all that consistent and couldn't really build on his triumphs for any length of time.

If anything they're all poor man's versions of Marat.

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Del Potro, Soderling, Berdych etc- they're all about equivalent. That is, they can serve and return big, bludgeon ground strokes, but not much more than that. They can't really change tactics based on an opponent, but when they're on, they hit every line. I don't see them doing more than the occasional great slam run. I don't actually seeing many players in that style having consistent success. Even the great Marat, who was an exceptional volleyer as well, wasn't all that consistent and couldn't really build on his triumphs for any length of time.

If anything they're all poor man's versions of Marat.
Del Potro can't even serve properly, given his height.
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Re: Del Potro Poor Man's Soderling?

Mamma Mia, I remember somebody said "Soderling is Poor Man's Del Potro" couple of years ago. The times they are a-changing, right?

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Del Potro can't even serve properly, given his height.
If he's losing to Blake, he isn't doing a whole lot of things properly right now.

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Del Potro, Soderling, Berdych etc- they're all about equivalent. That is, they can serve and return big, bludgeon ground strokes, but not much more than that. They can't really change tactics based on an opponent, but when they're on, they hit every line. I don't see them doing more than the occasional great slam run. I don't actually seeing many players in that style having consistent success. Even the great Marat, who was an exceptional volleyer as well, wasn't all that consistent and couldn't really build on his triumphs for any length of time.

If anything they're all poor man's versions of Marat.
Agree to some extent. Safin is the latest tall (6'4 as Soderling) world number 1 and also probably the only "big hitting" player to be ranked that high.

Del Potro and Soderling are both career high #4s. One got a slam and the other a master and way more titles. In the end Soderling has a more pure attacking style and is way better to be aggressive with his BH than Delpo and also has a more powerful serve. Delpo might have slightly better movement and a better running forehand and also is 4 years younger so got time on his side.

I question if Del Potro will ever be as good at sending winners from both sides and if players focused to hit to his BH all the time he can't really take control of the rallies the same way as Soderling. On the other hand he is a bit more patient and rarely start to spray errors as badly as Soderling/Berdych can do on an off-day.

We'll see how Delpo develop from here but he is 23 after all and his game will likely not see any radical changes. 2012 will give a lot of answers for the big hitters. 2011 turned out to be a somewhat disappointing year slam wise.
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