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Goran Ivanisevic is the best clutch player of all time

I took the ATP stats for 431 players from ATP Matchfacts site:
http://www.atpworldtour.com/Matchfac...px?c=0&s=0&y=0

full details here:
http://simtheworld.blogspot.com/2011...ts-of-any.html

Note: being a good server/good returner/good player doesn't influence the rankings at all!
It is just about overachieving on break points.

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Re: Goran Ivanisevic is the best cluch player of all time

And he has a fluke Wimbledon.
Next.
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yeah he never fall apart against Pete in Wimbledon finals tiebreaks
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And he has a fluke Wimbledon.
Next.
I'm guessing he also fluked his way to 3 other finals. Either he's one lucky bastard or you're a clown, it's hard to tell.

On topic, I'm suprised the stats put him on top in this category. He could be pretty clutch, but he could alos just go nuts from time to time

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Good player. But Im more impressed with a clutch rally player than someone who can just snap their wrist and hit a great serve. That is impessive but takes less mental strength

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being a serve bot does not make you clutch
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It's amazing that some people respond without reading the details.
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It's amazing that some people respond without reading the details.
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interesting read. good work
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Re: Goran Ivanisevic is the best cluch player of all time

another example of a player who is considered mentally weak but actually had some real clutch moments

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It's amazing that some people respond without reading the details.
Serving doesnt count for anything, only ground strokes are legit. Players should serve with a forhand as to stop any unreturned serves whatsoeveer and further slow the game down.
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Re: Goran Ivanisevic is the best cluch player of all time

Very strange list. Guess there's more to mental toughness than bps. Ivanisevic being a choking clown in finals has already been mentioned, Soderling is the same, and Troicki and Mugdasco being anywhere near the top of a "clutchness" list is nuts Also, Ferrero and Lee being 2nd and 3rd from the bottom is weird as well, Ferrero is a fighter as was Lee (at least in Davis Cup).

Kind of funny Oli Rochus is near the top and Christophe Rochus is near the bottom
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Re: Goran Ivanisevic is the best cluch player of all time

No. No No...

Goran was NOT clutch. If not for Pete he would have had an all time great career on grass however. When on he really could beat anyone truth be told. But he was a mental mug really.
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SetSampras in hyping up Sampras shocker.
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Re: Goran Ivanisevic is the best cluch player of all time

He was a mental midget actually. Having a serve and nothing else does not make you clutch as you're bound to hit some lucky serves on BP's now and then.

Goran had no ground game - he was a serve-bot playing in an era of fast surface. Wouldn't be top 20 player today.
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