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View Poll Results: Which of these compulsory 1000 level events would you drop
05.03.2012 - Hard - BNP Paribas Open, Indian Wells, USA 10 7.04%
23.03.2011 - Hard - Sony Ericsson Open, Miami, USA 16 11.27%
01.05.2011 - Clay - Mutua Madrid Open, Madrid, Spain 15 10.56%
08.05.2011 - Clay - Internazionali BNL d'Italia, Rome, Italy 10 7.04%
08.08.2011 - Hard - Rogers Cup, Montreal, Canada 6 4.23%
14.08.2011 - Hard - Western & Southern Open, Cincinnati, USA 20 14.08%
09.10.2011 - Hard - Shanghai Rolex Masters, Shanghai, China 48 33.80%
07.11.2011 - Hard - BNP Paribas Masters - Paris, France 17 11.97%
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ATP-ITF Calendar/Schedule Suggestions, Shorter Season

My opinion on Clay court tennis is that it's great for the game especially leading upto Roland Garros but i feel there is to many all year round, i think some should be demoted to challengers as it gives an unfair advantage to your typical claycourter in terms of points and prize money.

I mean guys like Rusedski and Karlovic should start a campaign to have grass all year round like the clay tornys so they can climb the rankings because players such as Acasuso-Monaco-martin would come nowhere near the top 100 just my opinion what do you think???
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The same could be said about hardcourt, both surfaces have a couple of mickey mouse tournaments. Just face it, most tennis is played on clay and hardcourt and there will always be players who climb the rankings by performing in those minor tournaments.

I think the ranking is actually quite fair nowadays with the best 5 optional tournaments counting besides the GS and AMS, preventing players from only playing in the smaller tournaments on their favorite surface.

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Typical clay-hater crap. Yes, you love the clay. Uh huh

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Did you not read my post you swedish T****R THERES ALWAYS ONE i am asking peoples opinions i love the clay like i said, why would i say so if i didn't you daft twa*, i was asking the opinion for example we have a grass torny in the states but two clay court events going on at the same time, likewise in a couple of weeks a mixture of hard courts and clay court events, if i didn't like clay id say so you you pathetic PRIC*
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Yes i think there are too many tounaments on clay which allows a player like Nadal to be higher than i think he should be.
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The clay court events should be all put together on the calendar, not scattered around, it's stupid as the likes of Gaudio skip the indoor season and US hardcourt events just for more and more clay.
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imo it wouldn't hurt to get rid of one clay or hard court tournament and add another grass or indoor tournament.

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yeah take away some of the clay and add some more grass!
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Get rid of some of the smaller hardcourt tournies. The fact that three of the GS's favours hardcourt players is a good enough reason to keep the clay tournies around points-wise IMO.

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skel1983, I understand your point. The situation is that we face a reality: to construct a clay court and to maintain it in good state throughout the year, is cheaper than a grass court.
The ranking points system, as Cervantes says, in certain way tries to correct this "disadvantage" for the specialists in courts like grass.
And yes, It's truth that is difficult to prevail in tennis, being a grass specialist, but as well as there are more clay courts, also there are more specialists on clay, for that reason those that shine in clay also have a great merit.


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There are just as many hardcourt tournaments as clay - I don't see why they should scale down the clay. I remember the ATP promising to have the Masters end of year event on clay - but they never delivered.

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The clay court events should be all put together on the calendar, not scattered around, it's stupid as the likes of Gaudio skip the indoor season and US hardcourt events just for more and more clay.

But there's more than one season for hardcourts and indoor. There are 2 American hardcourt seasons, for example. There's also an early European indoor season and a late one.

Players are given their ranking on the combination of ATP tournaments they play plus the slams and Masters events. Therefore, it's ridiculous to say Nadal is ranked as high as he is because of clay solely - he did make the final in Miami. You may just as well say Fed/Roddick are ranked so high because they play so well on grass and it's not fair to those who can't.

I think for me the most talented of all times was (Marcelo) Rios. Marat Safin, 2004

Marcelo has an enormous talent. Gaudio, RG champion 2004

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Did you not read my post you swedish T****R THERES ALWAYS ONE i am asking peoples opinions i love the clay like i said, why would i say so if i didn't you daft twa*, i was asking the opinion for example we have a grass torny in the states but two clay court events going on at the same time, likewise in a couple of weeks a mixture of hard courts and clay court events, if i didn't like clay id say so you you pathetic PRIC*
I'd respond if this was actually somewhat intelligible.

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Would you like me to translate it for you?

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I fear that thou hast forsaken the opportunity to give my original musings due consideration, dear buxom Scandinavian. I felt it necessary to conduct a brief survey of opinion on the matter or whether there should be a decrease in the number of clay-court events held throughout the year, you foolish part of a lady's reproductive system. Blah Blah Blah...anger management issues...asterisk.
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Of course! How could I not see this the first time?

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