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View Poll Results: Which of these compulsory 1000 level events would you drop
05.03.2012 - Hard - BNP Paribas Open, Indian Wells, USA 10 7.04%
23.03.2011 - Hard - Sony Ericsson Open, Miami, USA 16 11.27%
01.05.2011 - Clay - Mutua Madrid Open, Madrid, Spain 15 10.56%
08.05.2011 - Clay - Internazionali BNL d'Italia, Rome, Italy 10 7.04%
08.08.2011 - Hard - Rogers Cup, Montreal, Canada 6 4.23%
14.08.2011 - Hard - Western & Southern Open, Cincinnati, USA 20 14.08%
09.10.2011 - Hard - Shanghai Rolex Masters, Shanghai, China 48 33.80%
07.11.2011 - Hard - BNP Paribas Masters - Paris, France 17 11.97%
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I agree with Federer.


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You only have to play 18 events a year.
18 events + Davis Cup + TMC + exhibitions
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The problem for the top guys is that they all play a lot to maintain their ranking position and have a shot at the Master's Cup at the end of the year. Then they blame their injuries on overplaying. But if you attempt to set limits to the number of tournaments entered, it penalizes the lower ranked players who need to enter as many events as possible to accumulate their pittance of prize money award for all their first and second round losses.
The only way to restrict the amount of play without financially hurting anyone would be to limit the number of matches played in a year instead of number of events entered. So if a player goes out in the first or second round in each event, they still won't hit their match max and can play all year. If someone goes deep in every tourney, they will have to be selective as to which ones they enter. You'd have to make exceptions for grand slam and masters events since they are required. But basically, once you reach your match max for the year, you could only enter a slam or masters event - no international series, no exhibitions, etc. So, it would force season end rest on the players who can't seem to schedule it for themselves. Or, astute players would simply plan their schedule better throughout the year to pace themselves. Yet lower ranked players would not be penalized and could continue trying to improve their ranking.

There's my suggestion for a "schedule change". ATP directors- do with it what you will!
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In Roddick's case, the pressure is added by the fact there are a number of smaller tournaments in the US and (other than Agassi) he is the only true marquee American player.
I think you are forgetting Vince Spadea.
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I agree with Martina Navratilova - speed up the courts and make the racquet heads smaller. Then maybe players will be forced to serve and volly more and shorten up the points. The article below talks about problems with racquet technology. Other sports have put limits on technology, why not tennis?

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Can you imagine more than half of the Top 10 women golfers being sidelined with injuries and the LPGA sitting idly by saying 'It's just a coincidence!'

Or how about half of Major League Baseball's marquee players sitting out, suffering arm, back and shoulder problems, and baseball commissioner Bud Selig shrugging his shoulders saying, 'Eh, looks like a fluke.'

You wouldn't see it, because in golf or baseball it would never get to this stage.

Number one, neither pro golf or baseball have let technology turn their sports into video games.

An example was golf banning square-groove clubs, which let players hit super-accurate shots with increased spin.

Baseball has never let players rise above the favorite tool of over-muscled brutes since the stone age -- the wooden bat.

No graphite. No titanium, no "wide-body" bats or "pro-braided power beam construction," whatever the hell that is. Just wood.

Number two, golf and baseball have strong leadership that quickly act without consulting or getting the approval of 20 other alphabet organizations.

Golf and baseball are two examples or sports that have limited technology advancements to maintain the integrity of their sports.

Tennis, on the other hand, is in the throes of a transformation that 10 years from now could see the sport totally resembling (as opposed to partially right now) something you see on a video game console. Make sure you hold down the "C" button on your racquet as your swing for maximum power, and even a blue flare will appear behind the ball.

Tennis' governing bodies, the ATP for the men, the WTA Tour for the women, and the International Tennis Federation for the Grand Slam events, have set very few limits on racquet manufacturers over the years, and now technology rather than skill has changed the game.

Racquet manufacturers such as Babolat, the racquet of choice for an ever-growing number of tour players and juniors, produce technological marvels that allow players to slap winners from anywhere on the court -- screaming winners that in years past were only within the grasp of students of the game who had perfected the proper shoulder-turn, stepping into the ball, meeting it out front, those myriad instructions you forgot immediately upon the end of the lesson.

No matter. Now the learning curve is simply grip it and rip it.

Unfortunately for the pros, the shock and stress on the arms and shoulders from returning these 21st century rockets, and the lower-body stress on the hips and leg muscle from chasing down these Babolat blasts, are sidelining more of the top players every day.

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I think you are forgetting Vince Spadea.
Of course, there is Vinnie.

BTW, does anyone know when Vinnie Ice's rap album will be released?
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I think he'll probably end up withdrawing from Las Vegas, unless he does badly at the other tournaments. Last year, he had to withdraw in the semi-final of Memphis.
He might pull from Vegas. He won't pull from San Jose as 2-time defending champ and he has strong ties to Memphis b/c of the hospital work and some family things, so he will definitely play there. Anyway, his injury in Memphis last year wasn't b/c of overplaying, he just was unlucky to twist his ankle in the previous match in a freak sort of thing where he stepped on it badly, and he was concerned about doing damage where Davis Cup was a couple weeks away at that point.

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The problem for the top guys is that they all play a lot to maintain their ranking position and have a shot at the Master's Cup at the end of the year. Then they blame their injuries on overplaying. But if you attempt to set limits to the number of tournaments entered, it penalizes the lower ranked players who need to enter as many events as possible to accumulate their pittance of prize money award for all their first and second round losses.
The only way to restrict the amount of play without financially hurting anyone would be to limit the number of matches played in a year instead of number of events entered. So if a player goes out in the first or second round in each event, they still won't hit their match max and can play all year. If someone goes deep in every tourney, they will have to be selective as to which ones they enter. You'd have to make exceptions for grand slam and masters events since they are required. But basically, once you reach your match max for the year, you could only enter a slam or masters event - no international series, no exhibitions, etc. So, it would force season end rest on the players who can't seem to schedule it for themselves. Or, astute players would simply plan their schedule better throughout the year to pace themselves. Yet lower ranked players would not be penalized and could continue trying to improve their ranking.

There's my suggestion for a "schedule change". ATP directors- do with it what you will!
Every fix has its own problems. I foresee tanking problems with a match limit.
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The problem for the top guys is that they all play a lot to maintain their ranking position and have a shot at the Master's Cup at the end of the year.
Wrong. Maintain ranking position is as important to "normal" players as is to the top ones. About they playing in excess due to TMC.........to the hell with the ones that do this.
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The problem for the top guys is that they all play a lot to maintain their ranking position and have a shot at the Master's Cup at the end of the year. Then they blame their injuries on overplaying. But if you attempt to set limits to the number of tournaments entered, it penalizes the lower ranked players who need to enter as many events as possible to accumulate their pittance of prize money award for all their first and second round losses.
The only way to restrict the amount of play without financially hurting anyone would be to limit the number of matches played in a year instead of number of events entered. So if a player goes out in the first or second round in each event, they still won't hit their match max and can play all year. If someone goes deep in every tourney, they will have to be selective as to which ones they enter. You'd have to make exceptions for grand slam and masters events since they are required. But basically, once you reach your match max for the year, you could only enter a slam or masters event - no international series, no exhibitions, etc. So, it would force season end rest on the players who can't seem to schedule it for themselves. Or, astute players would simply plan their schedule better throughout the year to pace themselves. Yet lower ranked players would not be penalized and could continue trying to improve their ranking.

There's my suggestion for a "schedule change". ATP directors- do with it what you will!
The lower ranked players live by those smaller events so it is great for them. You only have to play 18 events (19 if you make Cup) a year. That is not a lot. Roger took a big break during the summer and he managed. Andy and the others could do the same. It's not like Andy doesn't get his chance to rest during the clay season. Let's be real here.
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18 events + Davis Cup + TMC + exhibitions
Davis Cup depending on how far you go, and Cup if you make it, and you don't need to play exhibitions.
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Playing World Team Tennis exhibitions and Davis Cup is supposed to help your tennis?
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Two things. I support Andy on this. Nothing may come of it because tennis is more individualistic than baseball. At least with golf you've got a caddy trailing you around. But if the injuries continue to mount and players take their own breaks from the game the TD's are going to start to complain and you'll see something get done.

Secondly, whenever I read posts by people complaining about racquets I suspect someone wants a return to the days of the wooden racquet. I really don't think that's going to happen.
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http://www.theage.com.au/news/tennis...956304946.html

Even Superman Federer feels the Kryptonite of injury
By Alan Attwood
January 13, 2006

Agassi, Safin (both former champions): out. Rising star Nadal: out. Crowd favourite Clijsters: out of sorts.

And this is meant to be the start of the season. Players should be refreshed. At least the casualty list isn't quite as long as it was at the end of last year, when four of the top five men players in the world were no-shows for the season-ending championship. The only one there was Roger Federer. He had a sore foot and lost.

This week Federer's the poster boy for the Kooyong Classic. Next week he will be hot favourite at the Open. And he's still not quite right. The evidence is the bulky black brace he wore yesterday on his right foot while playing Croatia's Ivan Ljubicic. He won yesterday — something he didn't manage on Wednesday. He has declared himself fully fit, but that ankle brace may give his opponents hope. Superman has some flecks of Kryptonite on his cape.

Federer regards the present spate of injuries as a coincidence. Players can avoid injuries, he says, if they're in good shape and sensible about their schedules.

Others take a harder line. Tommy Haas, Federer's conqueror on Wednesday, describes tennis as "a brutal game". All that running and changing direction takes its toll.

Andy Roddick, Open semi-finalist last year, insists that the season is too long. Something needs to be done about this in the interest of players' health.

He acknowledges, however, that for every top gun calling for fewer events "there's another guy that says, 'Hey, I need those two extra weeks at the end of the year for prize-money'." There's a big difference in life on tour for No. 3 in the world (Roddick) and No. 103. And the attrition rate among those in between has led to a perception that modern players have a tougher time than their predecessors on tour.

One who doesn't buy this argument is the tournament director of the Classic (and formerly the Open), Colin Stubs. Back in the 1960s, he was a circuit player himself, taking on the likes of Rod Laver. It is possible, Stubs says, that modern tennis is a bit more demanding because of advances in equipment, but players can pick and choose their events.

In contrast, his memory of life on tour 40-odd years ago was "getting on a boat in February and coming back here late in October. In between you'd play week in, week out. I can't remember taking a week off. There was no money in the game, so you had to play to get by. And that meant playing singles, doubles and mixed. Sometimes two matches a day."

The difference, says Stubs, is modern court surfaces. In the '60s all of the major tournaments apart from the French Open were played on grass. Now Wimbledon is the only one sticking to the green, green grass of home — much easier on players' joints.

Injuries are nothing new. "Players got injuries in my day," Stubs recalls, "though perhaps not the debilitating ones of today."


What has undoubtedly changed is players' longevity. There will never be another Ken Rosewall, contesting a Wimbledon final in the year he turned 40. Instead, we have prodigies such as Seles, Hingis and Capriati, who peak in their teens and are out of action in their early 20s.

Rafael Nadal is 19. Too young to be limping. Marat Safin is 25, but too sore to defend his Open title. The casualty list grows. Victory, it seems, sometimes goes not to the last man or woman standing, but the last player still standing up.

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The lower ranked players live by those smaller events so it is great for them. You only have to play 18 events (19 if you make Cup) a year. That is not a lot. Roger took a big break during the summer and he managed. Andy and the others could do the same. It's not like Andy doesn't get his chance to rest during the clay season. Let's be real here.
Everything you say is exactly what I agree with.

Of course the lower ranked players need the play. But because they are obviously not playing 5 matches in every tourney (or they wouldn't be "lower ranked") they would not exceed the match limit for the year. Putting a match limit wouldn't hurt them; they'd be able to keep playing all year. Roger only played 18 or whatever events because he won everything and could have rested even more. No one was going to come close to him in the rankings.

The problem is with the next bunch of players who are all fighting to round out the top 10. It's not that they can't rest but none of them want to give anyone else a better chance just because someone else enters more events to get more points. These are the guys suffering injuries and pulling out of events at the last minute. If there were a match limit, they would have to rest at some point, whether they spaced it throughout the year or were forced to take an early end to their season because they had played every week since January.

But, as I said, it's just my idea for a partial fix. Obviously nothing is going to make everyone happy or solve all injury problems. Racquet technology is also definitely a factor, but I have no solutions in that area. How do you stop progress?
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