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I feel bad and disappointed for Rendy. He was the better player in the match overall. A major missed opportunity for his first ever ATP SF.
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Great stuff from Ryan, boring match, but the kid's a gamer and that's what it's all about. Exciting stuff for the future of American tennis.

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Actually, I was expecting more from Ryan. But I can't deny that his fighting spirit will make him win lots of matches. Has to work on backhand under pressure, couldn't get a passing shot, and obviously, groundstroke power. Slice is OK.
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some are saying it's not a great thing harrison needing so many 3 setters...

i'd say it's the perfect scenario... getting that extra main tour mileage in his legs that every pro absolutely needs today... and at an age when not many are granted the same...

never mind that, he is winning a sick percentage of them lately too... great for the ego, sense of belonging and confidence that he is delivers in deciders like this...

game might be mediocre at times but the balls say he can red line at stages of matches others cant... that might mean a lot in the long run...

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some are saying it's not a great thing harrison needing so many 3 setters...

i'd say it's the perfect scenario... getting that extra main tour mileage in his legs that every pro absolutely needs today... and at an age when not many are granted the same...


never mind that, he is winning a sick percentage of them lately too... great for the ego, sense of belonging and confidence that he is delivers in deciders like this...

game might be mediocre at times but the balls say he can red line at stages of matches others cant... that might mean a lot in the long run...

Agreed. Being able to grind out tough matches is one of the biggest obstacles for youngsters coming up on the main tour, just shows how match tough and relentless he is.

His serve is already pretty big and along with his groundstrokes will only get better. He'll learn to finish off points better in the near future.

What I really liked is his adjustments throughout the match. Mixing in more slices, serving and volleying a lot more, varying the 2nd serves, etc.

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Nice to see him get through to another SF but stop throwing racquets young man

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Lu would have won this in straights if his level didn't drop. Ryan is at this point in his career far too content to just grind matches out. He plays far too passively, just loops the ball and then runs everything down. He tried to play a bit more aggressively at the start of the second set, but the problem with that is his backhand is at this point too inconsistent for that. Luckily for him, though, Lu's level dropped considerably at the end of the second and Ryan snuck out the set. The third was more of the same, just back to retrieving behind the baseline until Lu coughed up some errors.

With all this being said, most of you are shortchanging him on some things. His second serve, which is already one of the best in the world, was invaluable today.
And at the end of the day, he won, is pushing up the rankings, and will have years to really develop his game to where it needs to get for him to realize his goals.

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some are saying it's not a great thing harrison needing so many 3 setters...

i'd say it's the perfect scenario... getting that extra main tour mileage in his legs that every pro absolutely needs today... and at an age when not many are granted the same...

never mind that, he is winning a sick percentage of them lately too... great for the ego, sense of belonging and confidence that he is delivers in deciders like this...

game might be mediocre at times but the balls say he can red line at stages of matches others cant... that might mean a lot in the long run...
I do agree that these tight 3 setters will be good for ryan's experience and confidence, but I am not a fan of the opponents he's doing it against.

Lu is capable, but he should've beaten berankis and ram in straights.
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Lu would have won this in straights if his level didn't drop. Ryan is at this point in his career far too content to just grind matches out. He plays far too passively, just loops the ball and then runs everything down. He tried to play a bit more aggressively at the start of the second set, but the problem with that is his backhand is at this point too inconsistent for that. Luckily for him, though, Lu's level dropped considerably at the end of the second and Ryan snuck out the set. The third was more of the same, just back to retrieving behind the baseline until Lu coughed up some errors.

With all this being said, most of you are shortchanging him on some things. His second serve, which is already one of the best in the world, was invaluable today.
And at the end of the day, he won, is pushing up the rankings, and will have years to really develop his game to where it needs to get for him to realize his goals.
Did we watch the same match? Sure Lu dropped off a little, but it was because Ryan started giving him no rhythm and varying his shots a lot more.

It seems like he plays up/down to his level of competition, which isn't necessarily a good thing, he's got to keep a level of solid consistent tennis regardless of the opponent.

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lu's backbreaking game was 3-3 in the 2nd set on harrison's serve. Numerous opportunities to break Ryan there and he got deflated. Harrison needs to work on his maturity or it'll be watching Roddick again for another 10 years.
whatever hahah Safin was extremely immature and he won 2 slams, not to mention, this may sound wrong but it gets boring if every player is a robot. showing some emotion in a negative manner is not always such a bad thing, the general public think that tennis is boring for a reason, because they think it's one dimensional. angry players and esspecially people like Mcenroe, Safin etcc who weren't always that mature make the sport more interesting..... about 99.9% robots on tour at the moment as it is

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Good fight from Ryan.

Lu was absolutely pathetic converting leads on return, 0-7 in qf's now and based on this mental effort it'll probably never change, what a choker.

Also, it has to be said that Harrison's game is very mediocre indeed.
pulled Federer to a tie breaker a few months ago, of course his game is not mediocre. He does not really have any brilliant shocks but is very strong from the baseline and has much time to develop a great shot

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True about everything said, Smoke, and especially about his serve. His serve is very, very good, especially at his age. First serve can be predictable but he gets good pace, can hit all the spots, has great variety and an excellent and consistent kick serve. Plus he goes for his second serves so they aren't attackable. Similar things were/are said about another American that has spent a decade at or near the top of the game
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Lu would have won this in straights if his level didn't drop. Ryan is at this point in his career far too content to just grind matches out. He plays far too passively, just loops the ball and then runs everything down. He tried to play a bit more aggressively at the start of the second set, but the problem with that is his backhand is at this point too inconsistent for that. Luckily for him, though, Lu's level dropped considerably at the end of the second and Ryan snuck out the set. The third was more of the same, just back to retrieving behind the baseline until Lu coughed up some errors.

With all this being said, most of you are shortchanging him on some things. His second serve, which is already one of the best in the world, was invaluable today.
And at the end of the day, he won, is pushing up the rankings, and will have years to really develop his game to where it needs to get for him to realize his goals.
Lu's level dropped most likely because Harrison held off all those break points. Harrison started killing Lu with the kick serves in the ad court in that game, so I feel like pinning this all on Lu dropping his level isn't really telling the whole story ... Harrison upping his played a role too.
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True about everything said, Smoke, and especially about his serve. His serve is very, very good, especially at his age. First serve can be predictable but he gets good pace, can hit all the spots, has great variety and an excellent and consistent kick serve. Plus he goes for his second serves so they aren't attackable. Similar things were/are said about another American that has spent a decade at or near the top of the game
His serve is good, but he struggles a lot to finish his service games off. I'm really happy for him but it's time to work on that backhand and to work on the 1st serve.
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Better players convert. Winning a lot of points but not executing on the important ones ≠ better player overall, no matter what stage of the match it is
Yup, that's true. Ultimately, it comes down to who is the best when it matters and who gets the victory. But with that said, that doesn't mean the balance of play doesn't say something different entirely. Lu was dominant from the baseline for most of the match. He simply didn't capitalize and fell off after missing 5 break points at 3-3 in the second set, and Ryan deserves credit for that as well.
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