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Thumbs up Nadal's serve

I'm a big Rafa fan, I was hoping he'd win the title and until about 5 hours ago I thought he would, but seriously, his serve needs MAJOR improvement. He's a lefty, he should be good, but he's one of the worst left handed servers I've seen of recent years. He gets decent enough speed, but there's just nothing to it, especially the second serve.
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Re: Nadal's serve doesn't cut the mustard

Sure, the serve isn't patricularly effective, but that wasn't what killed him today imo. Hitting the ball that short (barely cleared the service line) gave Tsonga all the opportunity he needed to go on the offensive...tantamount to suicide.
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Re: Nadal's serve doesn't cut the mustard

he has improved his serve a lot since 05 but it will NEVER be a big weapon
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Sure, the serve isn't patricularly effective, but that wasn't what killed him today imo. Hitting the ball that short (barely cleared the service line) gave Tsonga all the opportunity he needed to go on the offensive...tantamount to suicide.
Oh no doubt, there was a lot wrong with his gameplan and execution today but his serve is a consistent worry. He simply doesn't get anywhere near enough free points.
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I'm a big Rafa fan, I was hoping he'd win the title and until about 5 hours ago I thought he would, but seriously, his serve needs MAJOR improvement. He's a lefty, he should be good, but he's one of the worst left handed servers I've seen of recent years. He gets decent enough speed, but there's just nothing to it, especially the second serve.
He's not a natural lefty. I (and many others) believe that puts an inherent ceiling on how good his serve is ever going to be.

That being said, I truly believe it has gotten better. When he's feeling it, that is. It's still streaky and inconsistent. But he's getting more pop on it and the placement is really good sometimes. But 'sometimes' doesn't get the job done all the time...or even most of the time.

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He's not a natural lefty. I (and many others) believe that puts an inherent ceiling on how good his serve is ever going to be.
Maybe, maybe not. Moya also isn't a natural right hander and still his serve was always a very good one. So are many others.

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Sure, the serve isn't patricularly effective, but that wasn't what killed him today imo. Hitting the ball that short (barely cleared the service line) gave Tsonga all the opportunity he needed to go on the offensive...tantamount to suicide.
Spot on.

Obviously it would be nice for Nadal to have a better serve and get more cheap points, but it isn't essential. Keeping decent length on his groundies on the other hand is an absolute must with the game he plays.
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Maybe, maybe not. Moya also isn't a natural right hander and still his serve was always a very good one. So are many others.
There are always exceptions.

I remember an interview where Rafa or someone in his camp said that Toni thought his lefty serve was no worse than his natural serve when he was much younger. I'm not sure, but I don't think that's good at all...

Who knows? Serving right handed he may have had a better serve, a worse serve, or the exact same serve. Of course, if he was playing right handed who's to say he'd even be in a position where we would know who he is to speculate about such things.

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It's the Moonballing not even players in the WTA do that anymore.
The only reason Nadal has been so sucessful is because there are no other good young claycourt specialists out there. (e.g Guga, Coria etc.)

When these guys start improving on clay Nadal will be truly finished.

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It's the Moonballing not even players in the WTA do that anymore.
The only reason Nadal has been so sucessful is because there are no other good young claycourt specialists out there. (e.g Guga, Coria etc.)

When these guys start improving on clay Nadal will be truly finished.
so true and not to mention at wimbledon where he was playing a bunch of chokers
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He's not a natural lefty. I (and many others) believe that puts an inherent ceiling on how good his serve is ever going to be.
Sorry, but i don't buy that. That's bullshit. I'm the other way round. I'm left, meaning i write with my left hand, but i play right handed. In fact everything i do except writing and shaving is done right handed from a very young age. So yeah i'm a lefty because i write left handed, but everything else is right handed. Would you call me a natural lefty? I think that's a terrible choise of words because everything else is righthanded. And writing is only done with the fingers may i add. I'm sure Rafa is not much different. Have you ever seen my hit a serve left handed, it looks ridiculous.

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It's the Moonballing not even players in the WTA do that anymore.
The only reason Nadal has been so sucessful is because there are no other good young claycourt specialists out there. (e.g Guga, Coria etc.)

When these guys start improving on clay Nadal will be truly finished.
What utter garbage.
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It's the Moonballing not even players in the WTA do that anymore.
The only reason Nadal has been so sucessful is because there are no other good young claycourt specialists out there. (e.g Guga, Coria etc.)

When these guys start improving on clay Nadal will be truly finished.

Did he really just write that in all seriousness??!!?

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