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Re: Nadal's serve doesn't cut the mustard

His serve might not cut the mustard, but it does cut the cheese.

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Re: Nadal's serve doesn't cut the mustard

ACtually, his serve is quite effective against smaller players with less reach and players with one-handed BH's. He can pull them out wide on the AD side and hit a good first Fh and on the deuce, he can slide it up the middle, get a ball in the middle of the court and hit his fh CC.

Tsonga has is big and has a long reach. He got to those balls and used his strength to wrist those balls back deep.
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Re: Nadal's serve doesn't cut the mustard

Most players aren't strong in all areas. Nadal will never have a great serve, different player have different strengths.

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Re: Nadal's serve doesn't cut the mustard

When he's not on clay, there's a few problems. Serve is one of them.
Remember, Federer has been to 10 straight slam finals. He doesn't lose matches like this.
It's more than serve. Your groundstrokes have to do something. More than just keep the ball in play.

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When he's not on clay, there's a few problems. Serve is one of them.
Remember, Federer has been to 10 straight slam finals. He doesn't lose matches like this.
It's more than serve. Your groundstrokes have to do something. More than just keep the ball in play.
Im not worried about his serve as his ground stroke consistancy...It was so much better back in 05/06 so its almost like he traded his consistancy for a much improved backhand

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I think the rest of the field is getting better. Nadal is missing some shots, but he realizes he can't just topspin it back without great depth. It's different on clay.
You have to be very precise on this surface with his topspin.
He needs to flatten out some of those groundies.

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Re: Nadal's serve doesn't cut the mustard

I think some of you are overrating his serve. Yes it's not bad, he gets good pace and it's pretty consistent, however, for the #2 player in the world it should, and needs to be better. Federer, Djokovic and even Tsonga now, they all have big serves and can get themselves out of trouble with a few aces and/or unreturnables. Nadal can't. He serves very few aces per match, and on the big points against the worlds best players he needs to get more. I hope he's putting an emphasis on this because I feel with a better serve he could be so much better.
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I think some of you are overrating his serve. Yes it's not bad, he gets good pace and it's pretty consistent, however, for the #2 player in the world it should, and needs to be better. Federer, Djokovic and even Tsonga now, they all have big serves and can get themselves out of trouble with a few aces and/or unreturnables. Nadal can't. He serves very few aces per match, and on the big points against the worlds best players he needs to get more. I hope he's putting an emphasis on this because I feel with a better serve he could be so much better.
He is trying. It's got quite a bit faster. Personally I would prefer if he concentrated more on mixing it up than giving it extra pop. His serving is too predictable.

He'll never be a great server, but I don't see why he couldn't continue to improve as he gets older, sort of like Agassi did. It certainly won't be from lack of effort.
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His serve might not cut the mustard, but it does cut the cheese.
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Nadal's Serve

Now we're all well aware that Rafa doesn't get as many free points or serve as many aces as the other top players, but is it really because he can't or that he chooses not to? He doesn't have a very powerful first serve, but if he can hit overheads in play at around 200 KM/H or more... why wouldn't he swing so freely when it comes to serving?

His service motion is probably hindering him from hitting faster and flatter, perhaps muscling the ball a little much and forcing it rather than developing a rhythm for "easy power"... but do you think he'll change that? It's something I've always wanted him to do, but would it be too hard and too much effort to re-work his serve at this stage of his career and keep the percentages up? He saved many break points in the SF against Murray, almost of which he had to fight out or finish at the net if his serve didn't draw an error.

I just think he could make it easier on himself if he had a tougher serve to return by not only mounting more pressure on his opponents with easier holds, but conserving energy too. He has improved his serve over the last few years for sure, but I think there is definitely more room to grow.

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Re: Nadal's Serve

cause he's a natural right hander.
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Re: Nadal's Serve

Alright.

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What dusk said. It may be way Nadal will never win a hardcourt slam. After all, can you remember the last pusher-type to win the US Open? Hewitt in 2001.
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Re: Nadal's Serve

It's my question too!
Rafa really plays without an useful weapon like service! and he wastes his energy in service games!
Any physical reason except the mentioned one?

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Re: Nadal's Serve

It's all about the technique and the serving motion, doesn't really matter that he can smash an overhead with a lot of speed. He can serve above 200 km/h, we all saw it. Just not consistently. He still can't hit an above average second serve to save his life, but he's improving. His inside out (?) serve is much better then what it was, it's a real weapon now. I can recall at one point during the Wimbledon final they showed the statistic about unreturned serves, Roger had maybe 56-58, something like that, and Rafa had 51 or 53, and i think it was in the fourth, maybe fifth. Okay, Roger returning game was absolutely off, but still, Rafa is improving in this department. I think he and Tony will put in a lot of effort to keep improving it. I think we all lucky though that he don't have a special serve, imagine him with a "Samprasque" serve, that would be ugly. I'm talking about "Golden Slam 2008 ugly" kind of thing.
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