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View Poll Results: How accurate was I?
5/5- Almost 100% spot on, Mr. Groove. I may switch a few around here or there, but good work 68 18.18%
4/5- More or less. I disagree with a few, but not bad at all 158 42.25%
3/5- Hmmmm, I dunno. Some look a bit dicey, mate 54 14.44%
2/5- Are you nuts? Why is X player in Y position? You are completely dissing Z player! 19 5.08%
1/5- Are you high and or drunk? WTF?!?!?! 75 20.05%
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the point I was trying to make is that I watched that match live because it was not that long time ago
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the point I was trying to make is that I watched that match live because it was not that long time ago
What does that have to do with Laver's era bro?

Federer / Haas / Safin / Gaudio / Kuerten / Youzhny / Nadal / Gonzalez / Ljubicic / Hewitt / Soderling / Wawrinka / Coria / Nalbandian / Kohlschreiber
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What does that have to do with Laver's era bro?
nothing bro it's just that you were talking like there is no way I watched that tournament that's all
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nothing bro it's just that you were talking like there is no way I watched that tournament that's all
You still don't get it.

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You still don't get it.
probably let's just drop it then.....but Fed should be number 1 on this list
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Groove Depp your List is well reasearched and Kudos for that

But

WTF are Rosewall,Tilden and Pacho Gonzales doing so much higher in that list.

They would really be Guinea Pigs for the Likes of Becker,Sampras,Agassi,Edberg,Nadal even Djokovic.

The only one to consider from that Era would be Laver who is really a GOAT contender along with Federer.
But Rosewall that much higher. I have seen his videos and he is Just About good.. Certainly not that much higher. That Era wasnt strong you have to consider that. tennis was just about evolving .
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The Federer details need updating in terms of year end events and master series titles.

The current greatness league of active players in order of achievements to date (a factual comparison rather than fan biased assessment):

Federer 19 GS, 6 Year End Masters, 26 Master Series.
Nadal 15 GS, 30 Master Series, 1 Olympic Gold.
Djokovic 12 GS, 5 Year End Masters, 30 Master Series.


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Groove Depp your List is well reasearched and Kudos for that

But

WTF are Rosewall,Tilden and Pacho Gonzales doing so much higher in that list.

They would really be Guinea Pigs for the Likes of Becker,Sampras,Agassi,Edberg,Nadal even Djokovic.

The only one to consider from that Era would be Laver who is really a GOAT contender along with Federer.
But Rosewall that much higher. I have seen his videos and he is Just About good.. Certainly not that much higher. That Era wasnt strong you have to consider that. tennis was just about evolving .
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Davis Cup is a strong individual event for sure, one of the best.

Croatia has one, Ivanisevic must be GOAT then, or at least Ivanisevic > Federer

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Groove Depp your List is well reasearched and Kudos for that

But

WTF are Rosewall,Tilden and Pacho Gonzales doing so much higher in that list.

They would really be Guinea Pigs for the Likes of Becker,Sampras,Agassi,Edberg,Nadal even Djokovic.

The only one to consider from that Era would be Laver who is really a GOAT contender along with Federer.
But Rosewall that much higher. I have seen his videos and he is Just About good.. Certainly not that much higher. That Era wasnt strong you have to consider that. tennis was just about evolving .
This is why such lists are truly impossible to perfectly come up with and are highly subjective. The game is totally different now than it was 40 years ago. Every decade that has gone by, talent means less and less. It has become more about cutting errors, having enough strength to be able to hit past your opponent and being physically talented. In a sense, it is a totally different game. You wouldn't see someone like Nadal in the 60s, nor would you see someone like Laver in the 2000s. So the only fair way to analyze these things are to compare each player to their own era rather than other eras and that is even a tough task as people can erroneously make meaningless stats/facts appear meaningful to blemish or improve a career. I mean even comparing 2000s and 1990s is tough enough, let alone 2000s vs the 60s, but I think this list is adequate for the most part.

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