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Players That Would Have A Lot More Success With A Higher First Serve Percentage...

Was looking back and last year Tomas Berdych had the 2nd highest % of points won on tour and when you consider that he was like 1% behind the leader (Mardy Fish) who had plays a lot less matches it's quite impressive. Even so far this year he's 4th in % won on first serve and is currently number 1 in points won on first serve at Wimbledon. If he could only up that first serve % he would be near unbreakable, serve is huge.

So what other players would have a lot more success with a higher first serve percentage?
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Was looking back and last year Tomas Berdych had the 2nd highest % of points won on tour and when you consider that he was like 1% behind the leader (Mardy Fish) who had plays a lot less matches it's quite impressive. Even so far this year he's 4th in % won on first serve and is currently number 1 in points won on first serve at Wimbledon. If he could only up that first serve % he would be near unbreakable, serve is huge.

So what other players would have a lot more success with a higher first serve percentage?
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Re: Players That Would Have A Lot More Success With A Higher First Serve Percentage..

Well I mean players that already have quite a low % anyway, not someone like Federer
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Verdasco, maybe. Then he wouldn't have many second serves and would thus not double fault so much

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Re: Players That Would Have A Lot More Success With A Higher First Serve Percentage..

Soderling is similar to Berdych. Usually wins 80-90% of the points when his FS is in. So if he serves at 65% or so he is pretty much unbreakable.

Thing with serving is that guys like Berdych/Soderling will hit 3-4 unreturnable serves in one game just to not get a FS in play at all in the next game.

What matters most isn't if you serve at 60% or 65% but if you can get the serve working when you need it the most. Like on breakpoints and in the tiebreak. Federer has been legendary with that in the past
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Roddick-Obviously, the more first serves he gets in, the better.
Same with Isner who really doesn't have anything except that serve.
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Fish used to have a pretty appalling first serve percentage. Felt like he was only serving 50% pretty much every match. Baghdatis and Hewitt are two that come to mind when I think of big struggles with the 1st serve percentage. Add Nalbandian too. Muzza used to get alot of criticism for this. And Almagro as well, but he has a good 2nd serve to fall back on.
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Lets see..................Every player that ever played the game....
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Re: Players That Would Have A Lot More Success With A Higher First Serve Percentage..

The answer to this question isn't someone like Roddick or Isner, those guys tend to have high 1st serve% as it is so there isn't much to be gained there. The guy who really stands out to me is Murray, who actually has one of the very highest % of points won on 1st serve but is often serving in the mid-50s - if he could just raise that to a consistent ~65% or so the improvement in results would be massive.

Also, this isn't such a stupid question as some are making out, clearly there are some players for whom the benefit of a higher 1st serve% would be greater than for others...
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Re: Players That Would Have A Lot More Success With A Higher First Serve Percentage..

Murray has picked up the first serve percentages. He's not toiling in the mid-40s consistently anymore, he's really improved the consistency, placement, variety and clutchness of his serving.

The question isn't silly at all, we all know what Jason meant. Anyway, I would say Hewitt is the clearest answer. His first serve percentage is always in the 50 range and he doesn't have the second serve to back it up, especially the last few years. He used to be able to hit a nice slice second serve and a good body second serve, but as his confidence has fallen, his second serve has gotten weaker and he's become prone to DFing in critical moments.

A stat to always look for is, first serve percentage and then second serve points won. The player who has the higher serve percentage and the higher second serve percentages won doesn't lose often.
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Karlovic with a 100% 1st serve just needs a DF from his rival in the tiebreak to win.

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Re: Players That Would Have A Lot More Success With A Higher First Serve Percentage..

Garcia-Lopez is another guy whose first serve percentages fluctuate greatly and a guy who struggles on the second serve with points won, and double faults. He's usually effective when he gets the first serve in where he can implement his game, but his second serve is extremely attackable.

Clement and Baghdatis are similar to Hewitt in they are shorter guys who go for big first serves, which cause a low serve percentage. Arno's second serve is pretty weak and gets punished, Baghdatis defends his second serve OK, but he usually wins high percentages on the first serve and would be better if he could serve consistently high percentages.
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