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Telegrapgh article - Federer’s aura dimmed by indestructible nemesis that is Nadal

First time I've seen a journalist question Federer like this

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/ten...afa-Nadal.html


For Roger Federer, this mercy after the killing by his gentleman strangler produced no tears this time, just a resigned smile and a half-rueful admission that it had been the same old story about Rafa’s feats on clay.

And it is a story which keeps nagging away at those of us who ardently believe Federer to be the finest tennis player in history. Time to question ourselves once more.

For there were spells during yet another beautiful edition of one of sport’s grandest rivalries when Federer could surely have played no better than he did on Court Philippe Chatrier, wonderful starburst periods when, actually, you could convince yourself that nobody has ever played better. And yet it was still not enough to fell l’Ogre.

We swooned at genius, at moments when it seemed Federer could consign his nemesis to death by drop shot, when Nadal was so comprehensively dismantled by almost

dismissively contemptuous shot-making that you could not have conceived of anybody downing Federer.

This is the Rafael Nadal age, his ninth victory in their last 11 contests.

Federer has not beaten him in a Grand Slam since 2007 and did not enjoy being asked afterwards whether he could see the Spaniard, who has now reached double figures in Grand Slam wins quicker than he ever did, catching up uncomfortably swiftly on his landmark of 16.

“Who cares?” was Federer’s response. “Who cares where you stand?”

Well, you can bet that, inside, he does. After all, how difficult is it to call himself the best even of this era, never mind of all-time, when Nadal has now beaten him 17 out of 25 times and just keeps chipping away at the legend bit by bit?

Nadal, in his absolute pomp now, just stands there like Federer’s impassable mental roadblock, retrieving every ball with unreal agility, approaching every point as if it is for his life, exhausting and crushing his opponent’s psyche with those in-to-out forehand monsters which persuade you it is a nonsense that the game’s greatest shot is Federer’s own liquid forehand whip.

After this defeat, there seemed an almost strangely blasé lack of concern from Federer. Outwardly, at least.

“I think he’s happy to be Rafa; I’m happy to be Roger,” he shrugged, talking about their comparative styles where he works to “smaller margins”, going on the attack, mixing up his game and thus occasionally having uneven patches while Rafa “is content to do the one thing for the entire time.” Talk about faint praise.

“It’s always me who’s going to dictate play and decide how the outcome is going to be,” said Federer. “If I play well, I will most likely win; if I’m not playing so well, that’s when he wins.”

He is kidding himself. There is, of course, a touch of arrogance in this public pronouncement which suggests a man who cannot quite work out how his divine gifts so often count for nothing against, physically and mentally, the strongest, most bloody-minded athlete the game may have yet witnessed.

After three sets, Federer had won more points but was two-one down. Enough said.

Yes, how aesthetically satisfying it would have been had Federer, after his sublime opening to the match, offered the perfect, embroidered finish to the first set with that exquisite backhand drop shot, but when did aesthetics win a tennis match? It missed. Fractionally but enough.

Yet in the following game, after rescuing his serve, Nadal broke Federer by digging out and flashing a forehand return at full stretch which forced the Swiss to net. You would have called it unbelievable if it was not commonplace from Nadal.

Federer reckoned he liked seeing Nadal sprinting from corner to corner like a boxer, countering madly, just “to see how long he can sustain it”.

Well, here is the bad news, Roger. He can sustain it as long as you want to keep slugging and eventually, the evidence keeps piling up, he will jab you to a standstill.

Oh yes, and he’s looking forward to the bell going on Centre Court.
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What a Rafatard...
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First time I've seen a journalist question Federer like this
Really? Journalists/commentators/media in general have been questioning Fed's greatness as a player for years because of his H2H against Nadal,this is hardly anything new.I still can't understand the argument that Fed would have somehow been a better player if he was losing before every FO final in order to not face Nadal.For me even before his 2009 FO win the fact that Fed reached so many FO finals was admirable as even on his weakest surface he was a contender.
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nadal's sheer will and determination coupled with his talent beats federer's extraordinary talent.

u can see on federer's eyes that he doesnt believe he can beat rafa.
everytime he gets close, his doubts comes back an he freezes.

he puffs out his chest and has his strut against every other player, but against rafa he just becomes another player.

rafa is one amazing human being. nothing rattles this guy. he can reset his mind after every point.
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Federer just got to the FO final while only dropping one set. Then lost a match that everyone expected him to lose.

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The question is, if Federer isn't the GOAT who is? Most journalists are too ignorant to have any plausible alternative.

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The question is, if Federer isn't the GOAT who is? Most journalists are too ignorant to have any plausible alternative.
Laver I guess? Other greats have holes in their resumee as well and achieved less than Fed.
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Laver I guess? Other greats have holes in their resumee as well and achieved less than Fed.
Basically, yes. Rosewall & Gonzales also have arguments, although I guess Gonzales was relatively weak on clay & Rosewall never won Wimbledon (though not being allowed to play for 13 years didn't help).

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Really? Journalists/commentators/media in general have been questioning Fed's greatness as a player for years because of his H2H against Nadal,this is hardly anything new.I still can't understand the argument that Fed would have somehow been a better player if he was losing before every FO final in order to not face Nadal.For me even before his 2009 FO win the fact that Fed reached so many FO finals was admirable as even on his weakest surface he was a contender.
I must say I haven't really seen it in the British press much.
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The question is, if Federer isn't the GOAT who is? Most journalists are too ignorant to have any plausible alternative.
Exactly, the argument is so redundant because no one side can conclusively decide who is better as hatred/rivalry/distaste for players cloud genuine judgement. I say everyone have their own GOAT and be done with it, Laver is a GOAT because he was so dominant in a time of poor professional management, Borg is a GOAT because he was supremely talented and ahead of his time, McEnroe for being other worldly talented, Lendl for determination to improve and dominate, Sampras for modern supremity, Connors for tenacity, Agassi for fighting his demons and suceeding stupendously in a sport he struggled to love, Federer for the great talents blessed to him and the domination he displayed, Nadal for the never say die mindset - willingness to improve and suceed on surfaces which aren't his preferred etc

There will never be an exclusive GOAT as every player will have some form of hole in their CV, its inevitable in a sport which commands fields of simultaneous greats. Find your own GOAT and love that player for what they individually contributed to a great sport.

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What a Rafatard...
Are you serious man? He gave a TON of praise to Federer.
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Could be,time will tell.
Yup, if Nadal can get 6 more slams, there will be little doubt

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We get it, tennis is all about matchups. Nadal is a bad matchup for Fed and a great enough player to take advantage of that fact. We also get that for some of Fe'd Slams the competition was not as strong as during some other eras. It still takes nothing away from his 16 Slam titles and 285 weeks at #1.

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Exactly, the argument is so redundant because no one side can conclusively decide who is better as hatred/rivalry/distate for players cloud genuine judgement. I say everyone have their own GOAT and be done with it, Laver is a GOAT because he was so dominant in a time of poor proffessional management, Borg is a GOAT because he was supremely talented and ahead of his time, McEnroe for being other wordly talented, Lendl for determination to improve and dominate, Sampras for modern supremity, Connors for tenacity, Agassi for fighting his demons and suceeding stupendously in a sport he struggled to love, Federer for the great talents bless to him and the domination he displayed, Nadal for the never say die mindset - willingness to improve and suceed on surfaces which aren't his preferred etc

There will never be an exclusive GOAT as every player will have some form of hole in their CV, its inevitable in a sport which commands fields of simultaneous greats. Find your own GOAT and love that player for what they individually contributed to a great sport.
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