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The tour final should give more points

After all the world tour final is the best players of the season playing to show who is the best of that season. You have to do very well in all the seasons major tournaments to even get into the WTF. This year it currently takes 6000 points to qualify. To reach that many points over a season you have to be a very good player.

In the world tour finals you only play multiple matches against the top players on hardcourt (which is the the most common surface in the ATP and therefore should be the most prestigious) and indoors where there is no wind/rain or other factors to benefit less skilled players or cause interruptions, delays that can throw off players serve or offensive game.

In short the tour final should be worth MORE than a slam. Currently a win only gives 1500p. This is basically for historical reasons. The WTF has never carried as much prestige because it took a while before they found out that tennis should also have a "playoff" like many other big sports.

WTF is basically the tennis playoffs. The best players facing each other to show who was the seasons best player. In many sports the regular season is even seen as pointless if you don't qualify for the playoffs and do well there. I tend to view sports the same. A win in the faceoff between the very best is always very valuable! If it's not as valuable as it should be compared to regular season there is a problem.

So should WTF be worth 3000 points with SF being worth 1500? Should they change it and have the 32 or 16 best players of the season fight for victory instead. Should the final be best of 5? Or even best of 3 but played in a best of 3 matches? I think its a disgrace that the "playoff victory" isn't even worth as much as a slam when there are 4 of those in a season! There is only 1 WTF in the season.
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Re: The tour final should give more points

To show who is the best player of the season??? Bloody Davydenko, Djokovic or Federer were best players in seasons when they won MC?

Don't think so

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Lol.

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To show who is the best player of the season??? Bloody Davydenko, Djokovic or Federer were best players in seasons when they won MC?

Don't think so
Yeah but you can't look at historical results in the WTF for many reasons. It doesn't have the prestige, points, prize money, best of 5 sets? Think! If they changed it would be a different tournament. Now guys view it as a master 1000 with benefits
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Yeah but you can't look at historical results in the WTF for many reasons. It doesn't have the prestige, points, prize money, best of 5 sets? Think! If they changed it would be a different tournament. Now guys view it as a master 1000 with benefits
And do you think it will be changed?

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And do you think it will be changed?
No. But it makes a helluva lot more sense than giving the slams more points?

In all honesty the tour final should be made to be the years most prestigious and valuable tournament. Not saying that it has been that. I'm saying it SHOULD BE
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After all the world tour final is the best players of the season playing to show who is the best of that season. You have to do very well in all the seasons major tournaments to even get into the WTF. This year it currently takes 6000 points to qualify. To reach that many points over a season you have to be a very good player.

In the world tour finals you only play multiple matches against the top players on hardcourt (which is the the most common surface in the ATP and therefore should be the most prestigious) and indoors where there is no wind/rain or other factors to benefit less skilled players or cause interruptions, delays that can throw off players serve or offensive game.

In short the tour final should be worth MORE than a slam. Currently a win only gives 1500p. This is basically for historical reasons. The WTF has never carried as much prestige because it took a while before they found out that tennis should also have a "playoff" like many other big sports.

WTF is basically the tennis playoffs. The best players facing each other to show who was the seasons best player. In many sports the regular season is even seen as pointless if you don't qualify for the playoffs and do well there. I tend to view sports the same. A win in the faceoff between the very best is always very valuable! If it's not as valuable as it should be compared to regular season there is a problem.

So should WTF be worth 3000 points with SF being worth 1500? Should they change it and have the 32 or 16 best players of the season fight for victory instead. Should the final be best of 5? Or even best of 3 but played in a best of 3 matches? I think its a disgrace that the "playoff victory" isn't even worth as much as a slam when there are 4 of those in a season! There is only 1 WTF in the season.
I'm not sure it should be worth more, but it should be equivalent.

Everyone will jump on you about matches not being contested over 5 sets. Watch and see.
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I'm not sure it should be worth more, but it should be equivalent.

Everyone will jump on you about matches not being contested over 5 sets. Watch and see.
What kind of issue is that? I already think today the SF and F should be best of 5 sets. If they made it worth as much or more than a slam I don't think players would mind. It is mandatory after all so if they don't like they can come and lose

+ I have always hated that there is no indoor slam. WTF needs to be more prestigious.
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What kind of issue is that? I already think today the SF and F should be best of 5 sets. If they made it worth as much or more than a slam I don't think players would mind. It is mandatory after all so if they don't like they can come and lose
I have no problem with 5 set matches. In fact, I prefer them. I just wish people wouldn't pretend that 3 set matches and 5 set matches are almost different sports. It is the same sport, with the potential for 2 extra sets. It really is that simple.
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I'm not sure that you would say the same if this tournament would be on clay.

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the majority of the tour is on hardcourt? If anything clay got too many tournaments. Look at poor grass. Clay should give up at least one master 1000 to grass. fact
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the majority of the tour is on hardcourt? If anything clay got too many tournaments. Look at poor grass. Clay should give up at least one master 1000 to grass. fact
There's 4 or 5 Grass tournaments since the start of ATP Tour in 1990. (probably before too) and we can't do anything about that

At the end of last season we have same number of Hard and Clay tournaments in Open era.. just check the ratio for this year and who will be in big advantage in 5 or 10 years

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well if the tour final is a big no-no for claytards it can just be rotated. Change surface every now and then. But it would always be played indoors. Dunno if indoor clay is that exciting for organizers but its not like a slam where you need a gazillion courts for all the qualifying and other madness going on. Can just put a surface with whatever they decide for that years final
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Indoor-outdoor makes quite big difference.

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the majority of the tour is on hardcourt? If anything clay got too many tournaments. Look at poor grass. Clay should give up at least one master 1000 to grass. fact

Your first post in this thread was already ridiculous but this takes the cake.
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