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Knowing what we know today, Did Federer overachieve?

So everybody says Roger should have won 20 slams or be the GOAT. After the past couple of years, I think there is a good chance Roger overachieved. Not because his level of play. That's great. But because he is inconsistent enough to win Grand Slams as many as he did.

Do you think the pre-Nadal era is the main reason he has 16 slams? In other words, would he have 16 slams if Murray and Djokovic and Nadal all played in his era?

Before you attack, consider that I used to be a huge Federer fan before today. But his record against roddick vs. a guy like Nadal tells a lot of stories. Considering that Roddick was in some of those finals.

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So everybody says Roger should have won 20 slams or be the GOAT. After the past couple of years, I think there is a good chance Roger overachieved. Not because his level of play. That's great. But because he is inconsistent enough to win Grand Slams as many as he did.

Do you think the pre-Nadal era is the main reason he has 16 slams? In other words, would he have 16 slams if Murray and Djokovic and Nadal all played in his era?

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They all did/are?! Arn't they? Fed has underachieved. Murray on the other hand has overachieved, he has zero weapons.
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Re: Knowing what we know today, Did Federer overachieve?

Nope, he simply achieved most of his Slams in a weak era. There's no way he would have won 16 Slams being the same age as Nadal and Djokovic.
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So everybody says Roger should have won 20 slams or be the GOAT. After the past couple of years, I think there is a good chance Roger overachieved. Not because his level of play. That's great. But because he is inconsistent enough to win Grand Slams as many as he did.

Do you think the pre-Nadal era is the main reason he has 16 slams? In other words, would he have 16 slams if Murray and Djokovic and Nadal all played in his era?

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peak federer hasn`t any problem to defeat murray or nole, if he can own this two with 30 years old , in his prime destroy them, don`t exist very difference between safin/hewitt to murray/nole.

with nadal in his peak form in hc and grass, roger shuold be won very more matches
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They all did/are?! Arn't they? Fed has underachieved. Murray on the other hand has overachieved, he has zero weapons.
Well. I mean for a while Novak and Murray were not a factor (too young). I mean when you have Roddick reaching multiple grand slam finals, you know the field is weak. I don't like giving Rafa credit for anything. But you got to give him the fact that he beats more than just Roddicks of this world to win some of these slams.

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Re: Knowing what we know today, Did Federer overachieve?

Federer has lost plenty of grand slams that were seemingly within his grasp. So if you want to make a case then maybe call him an underachiever in that respect.
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Of all the...

I may not be a Federer fan, but you must be downright batshit crazy to think Roger f'ing Federer OVERachieved.

Considering his career AND his talent, he's pretty much on the mark. Untouchable on any surface except clay. You can't get any better than that.

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So everybody says Roger should have won 20 slams or be the GOAT. After the past couple of years, I think there is a good chance Roger overachieved. Not because his level of play. That's great. But because he is inconsistent enough to win Grand Slams as many as he did.

Do you think the pre-Nadal era is the main reason he has 16 slams? In other words, would he have 16 slams if Murray and Djokovic and Nadal all played in his era?

Before you attack, consider that I used to be a huge Federer fan before today. But his record against roddick vs. a guy like Nadal tells a lot of stories. Considering that Roddick was in some of those finals.

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Sorry but that tells me more about you than you might have wanted.
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peak federer hasn`t any problem to defeat murray or nole, if he can own this two with 30 years old , in his prime destroy them, don`t exist very difference between safin/hewitt to murray/nole.

with nadal in his peak form in hc and grass, roger shuold be won very more matches
I got to admit. it is sort of a secret for me when the peak Federer stopped peaking I mean he played better than ever against Rafa today. So I don't know about the peak thing. He beat Novak but just. He has been dominated by Novak on hard courts recently though.

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Sorry but that tells me more about you than you might have wanted.
Well. It's tough being his fan for at least today considering that he got in the way of the match if the century no? I like Roger still. But when he is not in a final against Rafa.

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Re: Knowing what we know today, Did Federer overachieve?

I guess you can say a guy that owns most of the records in the books "overachieved", but I'd say the talent matches the accomplishments. There have been many similarly talented players that never came close to doing what he's done.

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Federer and inconsistent in the same sentence?
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Federer and inconsistent in the same sentence?
Inconsistent level of play throughout his matches not his results. Again. People are misunderstanding me. I am not saying he is not talented. I think for his talent, he may have underachieved. But because he is not a consistent player during matches (has ups and downs too many times), he may have won more titles than he should have.

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Interesting how one player can destroy a legacy. Had Nadal come on the scene earlier there is no doubt that Federer would have fewer slams. Borg ran away when he started losing to Johnny Mac in order to protect his legacy. Federer is stubborn however and will keep getting destroyed by Nadal. Nadal will surpass him as GOAT without a doubt. For all the talent Federer has been found wanting when push comes to shove. Great champions have never wilted as much as Federer does against Nadal. The 2008 French open Final was humiliating. Hewitt got bageled in a US open final but he gave it his all in that match even though he is not the most talented of players. You don't get that with Federer. Since the beginning the Swiss has struggled against Nadal. In his prime Federer either lost or was pushed to the limit by Nadal. Federer is lucky that Nadal is five years younger otherwise he would have 7 majors maximum.

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I like to compare Roger to Barca. Both play beautiful. So has Barca underachieved or Federer overachieved? You see. Every coin has two faces.

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