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who's the bigger 'mental slave' to rafa, federer or murray?

of the top 4, i used to think no one could be a bigger mental midget against a healthy rafa than roger himself, yet i'm thinking murray may be gaining on roger in the 'how can i best serve master rafa' contest..

roger trails rafa 8:16..

andy trails rafa 4:11..

at the majors, andy trails rafa 2:4 and roger trails rafa 2:6..

and while nole trails rafa by a shocking 0:5 at the majors, the serbian has beaten rafa nearly as many times as both roger and andy combined for an 11:16 lifetime h2h..

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Re: who's the bigger 'mental slave' to rafa, federer or murray?

between federer and murray? federer easily

murray hasn't actually done badly against nadal given his ranking and level of play in the matches they've played.

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Re: who's the bigger 'mental slave' to rafa, federer or murray?

Murray's h2h with Nadal isn't terrible helpful - he lost his first 5 before he was at a level to actually challenge him. For example, when they played at Wimbledon 08, Murray was just outside the top10.

After that, it's 5-6. That's made up of 4-1 on hard, 1-1 indoors, 0-2 grass, 0-3 clay.
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Re: who's the bigger 'mental slave' to rafa, federer or murray?

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But he lost 23 times against you.
's right. We have to also throw into the mix. But I do not think it is currently the decisive factor. But he has achieved in my opinion too much. Maybe this is crucial if I move him even closer after major victories. But 14 or 17 Grand Slam titles is a significant difference. At the present time there is no question that he must be the greater player than me.

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Re: who's the bigger 'mental slave' to rafa, federer or murray?

They aren't mental slaves, Rafa is just a better player.
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They aren't mental slaves, Rafa is just a better player.
do you honestly think a healthy rafa's not in both roger's and andy's heads, especially on clay?

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Re: who's the bigger 'mental slave' to rafa, federer or murray?

I'm not sure 'slave' is the right term to use, but Federer more so than Murray.
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between federer and murray? federer easily

murray hasn't actually done badly against nadal given his ranking and level of play in the matches they've played.


ranking and level of play aside, the guy's number 4 in the world.. the thing about andy is that i just don't see him ever beating even a tired, injured rafa on clay at this point..

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do you honestly think a healthy rafa's not in both roger's and andy's heads, especially on clay?
Sure he's in their heads. Maybe I should've been more specific. I meant he isn't beating them just because he's in their heads, he's beating them because he's the better player.
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