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What happened to Russian men's tennis?

Looking at the juniors draw, I noticed there was only one Russian youngster playing, and not even a promising one. If you look at the draw on the women's, junior and ladies, there is and overabundance of Russians.

The last Russian man to win a slam was Safin back in 04, and since then, no Russian has reached a slam final.

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Re: What happened to Russian men's tennis?

Davydenko has reached a couple slam semis in the last few years.

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Re: What happened to Russian men's tennis?

Russia had their moment from the late 90s to the late 00s, with Safin, Myskina, Sharapova, Davydenko etc. Their door is simply closing, that's really it. It's cyclical, eventually, there will be more Russians coming though to replace the Russians who are on decline now. Kuznetsov is a very good young talent and there are two or three other younger Russians who have nice games so it isn't all bad for them.
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Re: What happened to Russian men's tennis?

A lot of the Russians complain about the poor conditions and situation to grow your game as a Russian tennis professional. That's a lot of the reason why you've seen some of the Russians playing for countries outside of Russia or not training in Russia during the season. That also has something to do with it.
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Davydenko has reached a couple slam semis in the last few years.
He's old and declining. I'm talking about promising group of youngsters. Apart from Kuznetsov, I can't find anyone else. Perhaps, the hunger (for success which Marat once said as the driving force of young tennis players) has died in Russia.

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A lot of the Russians complain about the poor conditions and situation to grow your game as a Russian tennis professional. That's a lot of the reason why you've seen some of the Russians playing for countries outside of Russia or not training in Russia during the season. That also has something to do with it.
Then why do Russian female tennis players continue to increase like algae?

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Re: What happened to Russian men's tennis?

if you think about it many countries are declining in tennis. Russia,USA,Australia,England,Argentina(Del Potro but not the same depth). Its becoming more varied, these countries simply don't dominate anymore.

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Re: What happened to Russian men's tennis?

^when was england ever good at tennis anyhow? 60 years ago...? 15 years ago they had a sold out canadian and tim as their best players -and that's pretty much the best form they've managed to find in a long time.

the argies had a good time not too long ago but that was unusual and now they'll continue to produce a few good players every now and then.

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Re: What happened to Russian men's tennis?

Safin won in '05 – I wouldn't call six years a drought by any means. By comparison the Aussies who dominated in the 60s/70s and the US that dominated in the 80s/90s haven't one a major in almost a decade.
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Re: What happened to Russian men's tennis?

Just speculating but couldn't the upswing for russian soccer and the forming of that KHL icehockey league be what steals away some young talented men from tennis. Seems like an easier path to money and fame to me.

I mean it's not like WTA is seeing a decline of russian women's tennis or is it?
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Re: What happened to Russian men's tennis?

Seriously?

Two Slams and two Davis Cups in the last 10 years. How much more was Safin suppose to win?
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Re: What happened to Russian men's tennis?

Could be worse. They could be in Britain's shoes
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Just speculating but couldn't the upswing for russian soccer and the forming of that KHL icehockey league be what steals away some young talented men from tennis. Seems like an easier path to money and fame to me.

I mean it's not like WTA is seeing a decline of russian women's tennis or is it?
I hardly think so, new talents continue to replenish older and retiring players. Plus, seeds 1 and 2 in ladies junior are Russians.

You have a valid point about KHL and soccer in Russia though. It's easier to rise and there are more opportunities for them.

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Re: What happened to Russian men's tennis?

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Looking at the juniors draw, I noticed there was only one Russian youngster playing, and not even a promising one. If you look at the draw on the women's, junior and ladies, there is and overabundance of Russians.

The last Russian man to win a slam was Safin back in 04, and since then, no Russian has reached a slam final.
Safin won the Oz in 2005. The only other Russian to reach slam finals was Kafelnikov.

Anyway, tennis boom in Russia was an anomaly which had no rational explanation. It's a miraclous coincidence Safin, Youznhy, Andreev, Tursunov, Davydenko, Kunitsyn, Gabashvili, Dementieva, Myskina, Petrova, Kournikova, Kuznetsova, Zvonareva all were born in 1980-1985.

Russian Tennis Federation does nothing to support our players -- never did. Spartak tennis club where Safin, Safina, Kournikova, Myskina, Tursunov, Andreev, Dementieva and a lot of lesser players began their career has been in an atrocious state for years. RTF, meanwhile, has spent millions on building the "luxurious" Juan Antonio Samaranch Academy that doesn't have a single indoor court -- and the construction works are not even over.
Basically, Tarpischev has only succeeded in non-stop whining about lack of money (as if it was not his job to actually bring sponsors) and selling RuKort surfaces to himself (the company that produces RuKort is run by his son and is an official supplier of RTF).

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Then why do Russian female tennis players continue to increase like algae?
Russian female tennis is declining sharply. The golden generation of early 1980s is being replaced by The Fat Duo and a bunch of journeywomen. The last Russian to break into the Top-10 was Chakvetadze in early 2007, since then only Pavlyuchenkova managed to squeez into the Top-20.
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Could be worse. They could be in Britain's shoes
Yeah. Britain's tennis sucks. They better be playing golf or football....oh wait they suck at football too.
By the way Russian tennis should give top 5 players. On the womens side, they have a lot of great players, I think it's only matter of time and they will have another top 5 player. (Altough I can't see him yet).
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