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Strategy Against Nadal : The Wide Crosscourt Backhand, can Federer execute it?

Whenever Federer get high balls to his backhand (courtesy Nadal, etc), I hardly see Federer being able to hit the wide crosscourt backhand consistently. His comfort shot in this case lands somewhere in the middle of the court, as in such rallies, the down-the-line (over the high part of the net) or a wide crosscourt do not seem to be his comfort shots. I am not saying Federer lacks this shot, he played this shot amazingly well in the WTF final against Nadal, but those were few and far in between. It was not Federer's Go-To shot!

Compare that to a Djokovic/Murray/Nalbandian/Davydenko, who are able to keep Nadal much more honest, as Nadal always has to keep an eye for that wide crosscourt backhand. Against Nadal, a wide crosscourt pushes Nadal completely towards his forehand side, which then opens up the court on Nadals backhand side.

Against Federer, Nadal comfortably runs around most of his backhands, since he knows he can lean on that side much more. You can almost see in all the recent Djokovic matches, Nadal is almost standing in the middle of the court, whereas if you see any of his matches against Federer, you would see that his default position is halfway to his deuce court, ready to run around his backhand.

Is it difficult for a player with a one-handed backhand to hit that shot effectively? But then you see a Gasquet or a Wawrinka pulling that shot quite consistently. Even against Lopez today, you could see that Federer was hardly able to rip any wide cc backhands, whereas Lopez was doing that consistently, making Federer run to his Forehand side.

Federer has added a few shots in the past to his arsenal (for regular use in match play), like his Drop Shots, then the wide-serve to Nadals backhand on the Deuce court, do you think this is the shot we would see him using more often, and more consistently?
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Re: Strategy Against Nadal : The Wide Crosscourt Backhand, can Federer execute it?

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Whenever Federer get high balls to his backhand (courtesy Nadal, etc), I hardly see Federer being able to hit the wide crosscourt backhand consistently. His comfort shot in this case lands somewhere in the middle of the court, as in such rallies, the down-the-line (over the high part of the net) or a wide crosscourt do not seem to be his comfort shots. I am not saying Federer lacks this shot, he played this shot amazingly well in the WTF final against Nadal, but those were few and far in between. It was not Federer's Go-To shot!

Compare that to a Djokovic/Murray/Nalbandian/Davydenko, who are able to keep Nadal much more honest, as Nadal always has to keep an eye for that wide crosscourt backhand. Against Nadal, a wide crosscourt pushes Nadal completely towards his forehand side, which then opens up the court on Nadals backhand side.

Against Federer, Nadal comfortably runs around most of his backhands, since he knows he can lean on that side much more. You can almost see in all the recent Djokovic matches, Nadal is almost standing in the middle of the court, whereas if you see any of his matches against Federer, you would see that his default position is halfway to his deuce court, ready to run around his backhand.

Is it difficult for a player with a one-handed backhand to hit that shot effectively? But then you see a Gasquet or a Wawrinka pulling that shot quite consistently. Even against Lopez today, you could see that Federer was hardly able to rip any wide cc backhands, whereas Lopez was doing that consistently, making Federer run to his Forehand side.

Federer has added a few shots in the past to his arsenal (for regular use in match play), like his Drop Shots, then the wide-serve to Nadals backhand on the Deuce court, do you think this is the shot we would see him using more often, and more consistently?
i dont think he has the shoulder strenght to execute that shot more often than not
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Re: Strategy Against Nadal : The Wide Crosscourt Backhand, can Federer execute it?

He's really comfortable hitting that shot off of a low bounce, but I mean, the reason the clay and Nadal problems have been what they are, and I guess anyone else who can pin him consistently on the backhand wing with spin is that he isn't going to be hitting that shot as consistently from uncomfortably high up.
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He's really comfortable hitting that shot off of a low bounce, but I mean, the reason the clay and Nadal problems have been what they are, and I guess anyone else who can pin him consistently on the backhand wing with spin is that he isn't going to be hitting that shot as consistently from uncomfortably high up.

he just does not have the upper body strenght thats why
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Re: Strategy Against Nadal : The Wide Crosscourt Backhand, can Federer execute it?

WTF with these whiner threads now when Federer is run over by BOTH Djokovic and Nadal, and has become yesterday's news in a blink of an eye? Grow up, Fedtards, and either be decent in your mourning (if you've truly respected Fed's legacy) or find another wagon to jump to (if you're a fangirl/bandwagoner).

Re: the subject, he had more than ample opportunities to show if he can or can't do it. Conclusion: he can't.

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Re: Strategy Against Nadal : The Wide Crosscourt Backhand, can Federer execute it?

ok Smarty how to beat Djokovic then???
What more is possible?
He needs to slice the ball to Djoko but uncle toni doesnt say that.

But overall its a mental thing. Rafa is tight and too nervous against Djoko Tennis is a lot of a mental game.
If you think your opponent is better like rafa starts to do now he will loose. Sad but true.
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Re: Strategy Against Nadal : The Wide Crosscourt Backhand, can Federer execute it?

no
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I mean, it's common knowledge by now, but a nice way to present it. Will check more out from this guy... tnx.
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Re: Strategy Against Nadal : The Wide Crosscourt Backhand, can Federer execute it?

he executed it well enough at the WTF.
on clay and other high bounce surfaces? no.
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Re: Strategy Against Nadal : The Wide Crosscourt Backhand, can Federer execute it?

Look no further than Djokovic's wins this season or Soderling's win in RG 2009. You need a BH that's strong up high vs Nadal on a high bouncing surface. Fed got the technique but he lacks the upper body strength. Don't think Federer can hit the gym and correct that. It would hurt other parts of his game
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he just does not have the upper body strenght thats why
this...Fed is a finesse elegant player, not a brute force like Nadull. And on clay you have to use your brute force to overpower other players - there's no other way arround it

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Re: Strategy Against Nadal : The Wide Crosscourt Backhand, can Federer execute it?

After a decade long career, do you have to ask this now? A random nematode would know the answer is NO.
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Re: Strategy Against Nadal : The Wide Crosscourt Backhand, can Federer execute it?

has Fed not beat Nadal in 2 Wimbledon/GS Finals unlike any other player in history?
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Re: Strategy Against Nadal : The Wide Crosscourt Backhand, can Federer execute it?

Having a one-handed BH is definitely a big disadvantage against Nadal,especially on clay and especially for a right-hander.
The OP mentionned Gasquet but if i'm not mistaken,he is 0-9 against Nadal despite having probably one of the best if not the best one-handed BH of all time.
And in many of his losses against Rafa, his BH was meticulously destroyed by Rafa's agressive moonballing as it has happened many times for Roger.

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