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RG R1: Ilhan def. Haas 6-4 4-6 7-6(1) 6-4

Good win for Marsel.

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RG R1: Ilhan def. Haas 6-4 4-6 7-6 6-4

Not a good sign for Haas for losing to a guy who retired in qualies. Still, welcome back.
From the stats, it looked like a decent match.
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Re: RG R1: Ilhan def. Haas 6-4 4-6 7-6 6-4

marsel served like karlvoic here, 25 aces and a 60-20 winner/unforced error ratio

haas actually hit more winners but also more than double the amount of unforced errors

good job marsel
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It kind of surprised me that he finished the match.
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I'm a little bitter about a guy who retired in qualifying a couple of days getting a dream MD match and winning. To me, it defeats the purpose of the qualifying tournament. I think it's pretty ridiculous.
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Re: RG R1: Ilhan def. Haas 6-4 4-6 7-6(1) 6-4

sure marsel got hurt but its not his fault he got hurt and its not his choice about how the system works

what did you want him to do deny the LL spot or tank the match?

or perhaps, even though he got hurt in qualies he should have played on and possibly made things worse

would you feel the same if a guy loike gicquel was in the same situation as marsel and than came though and won?
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I'm a little bitter about a guy who retired in qualifying a couple of days getting a dream MD match and winning. To me, it defeats the purpose of the qualifying tournament. I think it's pretty ridiculous.
He was injured. What's wrong about retiring when you feel the pain? Then he got MR and it looked fine. He decided to play.

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It's not about Marsel, it's about the rule, which should be changed. I don't think a player who retires in qualifying has earned that opportunity the same way a player who finishes a match does, also, that player is injured a couple of days later, they are going to be running around like normal again? So when you look at that aspect too, it's like, if you're unfit for the qualifying, then you're definitely not fit to play in the MD.
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what that players who get injured in qualies should be disqualified from LL eligability? i do agree i guess..because someone qwho's losing badly could just call a fake injury and count on getting in through LL

sorry to snap, im just very defensive when it gets to marsel
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losing to ilhan? looks like haas really is done

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It's not about Marsel, it's about the rule, which should be changed. I don't think a player who retires in qualifying has earned that opportunity the same way a player who finishes a match does, also, that player is injured a couple of days later, they are going to be running around like normal again? So when you look at that aspect too, it's like, if you're unfit for the qualifying, then you're definitely not fit to play in the MD.
I disagree with your logic that a player who retires doesn't "earn" the LL opportunity. A player earns their lucky loser status by winning their previous rounds to get to the final round of qualifying. The do not prove anything extra by staying on court and playing to lose that final round. You may argue with the rule, but even if the rule is changed, players with chance of a LL spot who get injured will just finish their matches. So instead of retiring at 4-0 down in the second set, Marsel would have lost the second set 6-0 in his final round of qualifying.

In the end, if a player is in no shape to play his main draw match, then I think that player should pull out of the tournament himself and will be replaced by the next LL. Marsel was clearly in match playing shape and there is no reason why he shouldn't have gotten the LL. He got himself there by keeping his ranking high enough and getting to the final round of qualifying.
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Maybe it's time, Tommy.

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Re: RG R1: Ilhan def. Haas 6-4 4-6 7-6(1) 6-4

Guys clam down. It was his fucking first Match after 15 month on clay, the surface he is by far his weakest. And some are calling for retirement
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