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Djokovic and Nadal take Domination to New Level

The following graph shows the total number of ranking points* accumulated by the year's top two players up to the end of the fifth Masters 1000 event each year since 2003 and a selection of years in the 1990s. Thanks feuselino for constructing the graph and help with the corresponding article.


*The current ranking system was used for all years except Davis Cup points were excluded. Federer's points shown in blue, Nadal's in orange and Djokovic's in green.

For an article about Djokovic's and Nadal's supreme domination this year, see here. There you'll also find another feuselino's chart showing head-to-head of the world's top two versus the rest of the field by year.

Djokovic and Nadal are the first pair of players to share all six big events (Masters 1000s, Grand Slams and World Tour Finals) to start the year since Sampras and Medvedev in 1994. They're also the first pair to contest four Masters 1000 finals in one year. Discuss.

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It's basically thanks to Nole's unbeaten run, Rafa has been more effective in previous seasons than in 2011.

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Yeah, but Rafa has made 6 straight finals. Even with he being in poor form, he's way better than #3 right now. And the question is, is that good for the sport? Is it good or bad that two guys keep making all the finals? And winning all of the big events?
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Yeah, but Rafa has made 6 straight finals. Even with he being in poor form, he's way better than #3 right now. And the question is, is that good for the sport? Is it good or bad that two guys keep making all the finals? And winning all of the big events?
All I'm saying is it is common for Rafa to be winning six straight titles at this time of the year. It is clay season, isn't it?

"he's way better than #3 right now"

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The surprise package for 2011 has been Djokovic's run. Which is why we're seeing the unique stats.

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Oh no, I agree, Djokovic is the star of the season. I was just saying, Rafa is on a different level compared to everyone not named Nole. And they both are on two different planets compared to everyone else. Rafa is doing what is expected (well outside of the losses) in terms of being right up there on clay, but you would think that someone outside of these two could break these two up in ONE big event, but they haven't done it.

I'm not knocking Federer but he hasn't shown he can do it, that's just the reality.
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Well, Fed is in Olderer mode. Murray is, well, Murray. DelPot is injured again and Soderling is inconsistent as ever.

The hope can be Fed and Soderling pick up their games for RG as they've done in the past.

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I was so excited when Soderling had such an excellent start this year and was extremely disheartened to see his form fall off in some of the later tournaments . Nole needs to lend him some of his confidence. I would love it if Soderling would enter the fray and become a serious contender.

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Yeah, but Rafa has made 6 straight finals. Even with he being in poor form, he's way better than #3 right now. And the question is, is that good for the sport? Is it good or bad that two guys keep making all the finals? And winning all of the big events?
It was absolutely catastrophic for the sport when those two were Fedal. It is absolutely miraculous for the sport now when those two are Djodal, and with Djokovic kicking serious ass.

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The following graph shows the total number of ranking points* accumulated by the year's top two players up to the end of the fifth Masters 1000 event each year since 2003 and a selection of years in the 1990s. Thanks feuselino for constructing the graph and help with the corresponding article.


*The current ranking system was used for all years except Davis Cup points were excluded. Federer's points shown in blue, Nadal's in orange and Djokovic's in green.

For an article about Djokovic's and Nadal's supreme domination this year, see here. There you'll also find another feuselino's chart showing head-to-head of the world's top two versus the rest of the field by year.

Djokovic and Nadal are the first pair of players to share all six big events (Masters 1000s, Grand Slams and World Tour Finals) to start the year since Sampras and Medvedev in 1994. They're also the first pair to contest four Masters 1000 finals in one year. Discuss.
Yes. This chart shows the decline of Rafael Nadal. Now that he is owned by Novak, the domination in this rivalry will reach a new level. Djokovic will bake Nadal a few sticks in the next few meetings.

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subtract 'and' and 'nadal' from the sentence and replace it with an 's' at the end of 'take' and we have an accurate sentence...
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Yeah, but Rafa has made 6 straight finals. Even with he being in poor form, he's way better than #3 right now. And the question is, is that good for the sport? Is it good or bad that two guys keep making all the finals? And winning all of the big events?
maybe it isn't that rafa is in poor form but simply that djokovic has simply outplayed him.

it's hard to say that nadal is playing badly when he has reached the last six finals and has only lost to one particular player.

it's funny how tennis works because if djokovic wasn't around at his best this year, nadull would have probly won 6 straight tournaments prior to RG and every MTFer would be saying that Nadal is playing his best tennis ever.

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Nadal has had his worst start to a season since 2004 with only 1 MS to start of FO.

This domination is about the 1 GS and 4 MS won by the Serb.

The gap between Djokovic and Nadal is almost double the Nadal and Ferrer gap:

2011 Year-end rankings

The current greatness league of active players in order of achievements to date (a factual comparison rather than fan biased assessment):

Federer 19 GS, 6 Year End Masters, 26 Master Series.
Nadal 15 GS, 30 Master Series, 1 Olympic Gold.
Djokovic 12 GS, 5 Year End Masters, 30 Master Series.


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obviously if someone has an unbeaten streak and another gets to about 5 finals and you compare precisely that period with other years you will find they are more dominant. But i doubt the top2 will have a lead at year end over the best Fedal year
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maybe it isn't that rafa is in poor form but simply that djokovic has simply outplayed him.

it's hard to say that nadal is playing badly when he has reached the last six finals and has only lost to one particular player.

it's funny how tennis works because if djokovic wasn't around at his best this year, nadull would have probly won 6 straight tournaments prior to RG and every MTFer would be saying that Nadal is playing his best tennis ever.
Exactly, people are understating Nadal's 2011 achievements as they are quite small compared to Djokovic's.

Five consecutive Masters 1000 finals is an all time record and Nadal has accumulated more points to this stage of the season than he did in 2010, 2006 and 2005 (using the same point system). It's also the most total points he's ever gotten from Indian Wells and Miami combined.

There are lots of articles about how good Djokovic has been this year but Nadal deserves more credit!

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obviously if someone has an unbeaten streak and another gets to about 5 finals and you compare precisely that period with other years you will find they are more dominant. But i doubt the top2 will have a lead at year end over the best Fedal year
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Yeah, but Rafa has made 6 straight finals. Even with he being in poor form, he's way better than #3 right now. And the question is, is that good for the sport? Is it good or bad that two guys keep making all the finals? And winning all of the big events?
Casual tennis fans love top end rivalries so it's good for organisers of Grand Slams. Also great for Djokovic and Nadal fans obviously.

Not so good for everyone else. Events with neither of these two will suffer. Overall I'd say it's bad for the sport.

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