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Sports Illustrated on doping, the Odesnik case and Djokovic's run

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...l?sct=tn_wr_a1

A good article. I'd tend to agree, although I had my doubts in the past as well.

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There are 2 sports that have a doping problem cycling and athletics. The only thing that could worry me about tennis is match fixing besides that I think the sport is clean and those that have doped have been caught. Top players undergo extensive testing so doping is not an issue. Match fixing is harder to detect sadly in any sport.
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There's a thread for doping, mods should put this in there. Good article though

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There are 2 sports that have a doping problem cycling and athletics. The only thing that could worry me about tennis is match fixing besides that I think the sport is clean and those that have doped have been caught. Top players undergo extensive testing so doping is not an issue. Match fixing is harder to detect sadly in any sport.
This is a hilarious post on the whole (I know you are being ironic) but that sentence in bold is a true gem.
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This is a hilarious post on the whole (I know you are being ironic) but that sentence in bold is a true gem.
What can I say, I'm too trusting . Funny how Mariano Puerta lost to Nadal in the final of the French even though he was doped up . I do think and hope that the likes of Federer, Nadal, Murray and Djokovic respect the game enough not to cheat.
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I don't share the optimism of the original poster about players not doping in tennis. As with any other professional sports, I'm sceptical.
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WSJ.com May 16 2011 The Diet That Shook Up Tennis? Starch Madness: Novak Djokovic's Domination of the Sport Has Coincided With His Gluten-Free Turn

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...238594818.html

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When you dig into the details you realise that tennis drugtesting is riddled with dozens of easily abusable holes, there's almost no out of competition testing, and what little there is is ridiculously easy to evade. On top of that, the Agassi/nandrolene42 affairs showed the authorities are more than willing to cover it up when their stars are caught.

Why wouldn't tennis then be riddled with doping? Just ask Puerta or Korda if it works.

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Doping and fixing happens all the time, but the ATP never makes it public to 'protect' the sport (scamming the fans).

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Doping doesn't make you hit the lines or pull off ridiculous shots.
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Doping doesn't make you hit the lines or pull off ridiculous shots.
Stamina is a very important thing in tennis. If you don't get tired your footwork will stay optimal which makes your shots a lot better in the end of long matches.

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Doping and fixing happens all the time, but the ATP never makes it public to 'protect' the sport (scamming the fans).
Why aren't other sports organizations as good as ATP at doing this?

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Why aren't other sports organizations as good as ATP at doing this?
Maybe they actually care about their sport. Obviously I can't say for sure if doping is being used a lot in tennis, but fixing is a fact and the ATP hasn't confirmed one case while there has been dozens.

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Maybe they actually care about their sport. Obviously I can't say for sure if doping is being used a lot in tennis, but fixing is a fact and the ATP hasn't confirmed one case while there has been dozens.
To be fair, it's atrociously hard to do anything about. Many examples are pretty obvious, and when it's the same bent players time and again there can't be any doubt. To connect that in a legal sustainable way? Good luck.

The ATP have picked a middle ground of semi-publically shaming players with their "we-spotted-you-fixing" letters. It probably won't work, cos the media are scared of being sued and largely stay away from the details, but it's better than nothing.
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Doping and fixing happens all the time, but the ATP never makes it public to 'protect' the sport (scamming the fans).
Anyway, it would be naive to think something like this doesn't happen at some level but not as much as people would like to believe either. I prefer to give benefit of doubt especially to players at the top level because they have a lot more to lose than gain by doing something like this.

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