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Juniors who fail at the senior level.

Today Dusan Lojda was playing and lost quite badly to Frederik Nielsen in RG qualifying. And it made me think, I remember this guy doing great in juniors, and winning junior US Open in 2006. I remember people saying he would be top 100 and beyond quickly once he starts playing futures/challengers consistently. He's well below .500 in challengers and ATP qualifying in his career.

That then reminded me of probably a top 5 bust in tennis history, Tommy Ho. This guy was doing great in juniors and setting records for youngest-ever accomplishments. He was 36-66 on the ATP tour in his career.

I was wondering, what players do you think of when considering the biggest flops in tennis history? Or players who simply have failed in transitioning to the senior tour from juniors? Also, why do you think they fail in transitioning?
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Re: Juniors who fail at the senior level.

Peter Polansky is another guy who hasn't done anything although I remember all the hype he received a few years ago. He's got a below .500 record in challengers and ATP qualifying also. These guys just stall out. I can understand developing slow, but then you have guys who completely bust and never produce decent level tennis. In other sports, the top draft picks or "future" talents don't bust on the semi-regular basis you see in tennis.
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Re: Juniors who fail at the senior level.

A couple that come to mind from the birth years of 80-81 that produced so many good players are Kristian Pless and Julian Jeanpierre. Pless had better moments than Jeanpierre but still didn't live up to his junior results.

edit: One that I was thinking of from a few years ago is Nicolas Santos. Got to 2 in the world but at 23 hasn't yet broken the top 450.

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Re: Juniors who fail at the senior level.

Eysseric and Sidorenko are other Frenchman of recent who has done little on the senior tour, although they had a lot of hype. Especially Essyeric. I heard people saying he was as good if not better than Monfils. Ouanna is another guy who had a lot of hype and has bombed.

Pless was a great junior, when I first started watching tennis, he played the junior final at the US Open, I forgot the year, it was like 1999 or 2000. And he had a lot of hype, because he was physically developed and hit the ball very hard. But he didn't do much at the ATP level. Very poor mentally, and very injury prone.
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Re: Juniors who fail at the senior level.

Tipsarevic won junior AO ten years ago and still has zero titles.
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Re: Juniors who fail at the senior level.

I just don't think Eysseric physically developed much more after 16 or 17. Still, he's improving and there's plenty of time.

Pless was brilliant in juniors, as you said final at the USO but also final at Wimby and won the AO over Youzhny.

What's obvious is that the Australian juniors doesn't count for a ton. Plenty of the top juniors don't play it and you have some winners that are not that talented. Sidorenko is one, Eysseric is another, and a third Frenchmen that won it is Clement Morel(though I think he ended up playing for Monaco)
Also you can throw Klein into this category.

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Re: Juniors who fail at the senior level.

Nicolas Pereira has a hilarious history really. Won RG, W and USO as a junior in 1988. Had huge wins over top 20/10/5 players throughout his career. But his highest career ranking was 74 and he never maintained a consistent top 100 spot. I saw him play on old tapes, dude had game, sort of awkward, but he had ability. Wonder why he never put it fully together.
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I just don't think Eysseric physically developed much more after 16 or 17. Still, he's improving and there's plenty of time.

Pless was brilliant in juniors, as you said final at the USO but also final at Wimby and won the AO over Youzhny.

What's obvious is that the Australian juniors doesn't count for a ton. Plenty of the top juniors don't play it and you have some winners that are not that talented. Sidorenko is one, Eysseric is another, and a third Frenchmen that won it is Clement Morel(though I think he ended up playing for Monaco)
Also you can throw Klein into this category.
Klein, yup, won AO juniors in 2008. But he's not that talented so I'm not surprised he has struggled, and of course most know him to be volatile.

Eysseric is a scrawny guy physically for sure, guess he simply develops at a physically slower pace than other players. I've never been impressed by what he's brought to the court, however. I think he was totally overrated from the beginning.

Morel did play for Monaco. I saw him play too a few years back, and saw nothing in terms of ability.

You're right about AO and I guess ultimately, it comes down to some guys developing mentally and physically and peaking at a little bit later age and developing throughout their years, instead of peaking at 16-19 and then not developing further as players.
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Re: Juniors who fail at the senior level.

I think whoever makes into the top 40/50 can't be considered a failure even if he did a lot of things at the Jr. level, because at the Juniors there are so many other factors into play, physical development mental development, is just like compairing kids teen world with the adult world in real life.

Like Tiago Fernandes a Brazilian who the Australian open last year at 16/17 I believe, people were hyping him like hell here and is silly to do so, based only on Jr. If he were to make the top 50 I think it is already ok.
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Junior GS champ Florin Mergea. Never broke top 200.

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Re: Juniors who fail at the senior level.

In general, if you look at the year ending junior top-10s you will just see so many guys that didn't ever do much. And there are so many factors that it's just tough to say.
But I would say that the majority fall under two categories:

1. Guys that are physically ahead of their peers at 17-18 but don't develop further and get passed by in seniors.

2. Guys that don't have any weapons or move well/are consistent.

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Re: Juniors who fail at the senior level.

Nicolas Santos never had game to be a top 400 player.

Junior level tennis is a whole another deal compared to pro level.
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Re: Juniors who fail at the senior level.

Sometimes a certain generation is just plain weak. Remember that the whole top ten (or most of it) changes every year due to age limit, so top juniors players flopping isn't always that surprising.
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Sometimes a certain generation is just plain weak. Remember that the whole top ten (or most of it) changes every year due to age limit, so top juniors players flopping isn't always that surprising.
This is a good point. Guys can simply slide into the top-10 when the last year's guys leave juniors.

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Re: Juniors who fail at the senior level.

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But he lost 23 times against you.
's right. We have to also throw into the mix. But I do not think it is currently the decisive factor. But he has achieved in my opinion too much. Maybe this is crucial if I move him even closer after major victories. But 14 or 17 Grand Slam titles is a significant difference. At the present time there is no question that he must be the greater player than me.

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