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Seeding For Wimbledon

I know it's pretty far off but what do you think the seeding will be in the top 10 seeds. I think Nadal will fall from number one but still be seeded 1.

1. Nadal
2. Djokovic
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Surely Federer might get the 2 seed? His 09 and 10 results will weigh.

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Re: Seeding For Wimbledon

Roger will be seeded over Novak, won't he? It's last year's results plus half of 2009.

Novak has 740 from Wimbledon + Quens from last year plus 510 for Wimbledon and Halle in 2009 = 1,250
Roger has 510 from Wimbledon and Halle in 2010 + 1,000 for winning Wimbledon in 2009 = 2,510

I think this is how the seeding works, but someone else can verify.

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If Soderling defends his finalist at the French he should stay at #5. Also, I didn't run all the numbers but I assume Mardy Fish will be up at 9 or 10.
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Seeding is Ranking Points+all ranking points from 2010 on grass X 2+all ranking points from 2009 on grass X 1.75.

I am not positive if Queens and Halle from 2011 count towards the 2010 numbers or if they just wait until the next year to count those. (Same with Queens and Halle from 2010, not sure if they count X 1.75 or if they don't count at all.)
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Surely Federer might get the 2 seed? His 09 and 10 results will weigh.
Yep, I think so, unless he messes up so badly at RG that his current #3 ranking plummets down so much that the Wimbledon Special Formula doesn't even allow him to be the 2nd seed over there anymore. Cannot see that happening at all, but if I'm wrong, please inform me.

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Djokovic does not have such bad results from Wimbledon that Federer will get in over him. Djokovic did better last year so he has a 360-point advantage. He didn't get as far at Queens as Fed did at Halle so Fed has a 130-point advantage there. Wimbledon from 2009 gives Federer 1230 more points but Fed didn't play a tune-up so Djoker has 112 free points there. Add it all up and Federer has an advantage of 888. So Federer will need to be within 845 of Djokovic in the rankings to be #2. That cannot happen unless Federer wins the French and Djokovic loses in the quarters or earlier.
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If Novak wins Roland Garros and moves to 1, he should be seeded 1 for Wimbledon.
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Djokovic does not have such bad results from Wimbledon that Federer will get in over him. Djokovic did better last year so he has a 360-point advantage. He didn't get as far at Queens as Fed did at Halle so Fed has a 130-point advantage there. Wimbledon from 2009 gives Federer 1230 more points but Fed didn't play a tune-up so Djoker has 112 free points there. Add it all up and Federer has an advantage of 888. So Federer will need to be within 845 of Djokovic in the rankings to be #2. That cannot happen unless Federer wins the French and Djokovic loses in the quarters or earlier.
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If Novak wins Roland Garros and moves to 1, he should be seeded 1 for Wimbledon.
Ehm, Rafa is still the defending champ, and even if Djoko manages to capture the #1 ATP ranking, I still believe that Rafa's former results at Wimbledon will allow him to get that #1 seeding at Wimbledon. Anyways, correct me if I'm wrong, as I admit that I might well have *lost it* by now.

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Yep, I think so, unless he messes up so badly at RG that his current #3 ranking plummets down so much that the Wimbledon Special Formula doesn't even allow him to be the 2nd seed over there anymore. Cannot see that happening at all, but if I'm wrong, please inform me.

Federer doesn't have that many points to defent at RG..
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Federer doesn't have that many points to defent at RG..
Semi-final... nothing to sniff at.
As 'easy' as it sounds for him to repeat that feat - on paper -, he'll still have to get it done. Just one early 'blip' (Gasquet, anyone? ), and it's over for him at RG, costing him a lot of points.

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Federer will not be #2 at Wimbledon. I just showed why he won't. Nadal should also be #1 even if Djoker wins the French so long as Rafa doesn't lose in the first few rounds; don't feel like doing all the math right now.
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	 ATP	 Wim09	 Wim10	 Tour10	 Tour11	 Total
Nadal	 12070	 0	 2000	 33,75	 ?	 14103,75
Djokovic 11665	 270	 720	 15	 ?	 12670
Federer	 8390	 1500	 360	 112,5	 ?	 10362,5
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Too bad the seeding only goes to 32.

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Seeding For Wimbledon

Now that the French is over, let's move on. We know Wimbledon is different with their seeding than anyone else.

I believe the top eight seeds will be as follows:

1. Rafael Nadal (Given)
2. Roger Federer (Taking former grass achievements into account)
3. Novak Djokovic (Never made it past SF, I don't think that warrants 2)
4. Andy Murray (Given)
5. Tomas Berdych (Finalist 2010)
6. Robin Soderling (Given)
7. David Ferrer
8. Andy Roddick (3 time finalist )
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