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nadal has the best chance of beating federer's record if he stays healthy nadal might get 19 grand slam's before all said and done
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All that needs to happen is for a "very good" player like Fed (he is that)to play in an era of mugs. Statistically this is very likely. Odds inevitably turn against you. What Roger is experiencing now is that he needs to compete against two better players. Forget all this olderer stuff. His decline has nothing to do with getting older. His GS total would be 75% less had nadal been on the scene since day one. The title of the thread is misinformed and makes the wrong assumptions and inferences.

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It's a legitimate question. Noone - or at least noone I noticed so far - is already 'burying' Federer with it.

As for the question itself - when looking at achievements, remember the days of one Pete Sampras?
Not that very long ago... and when he racked up his GS title #14, lots of people, fans, journalists and pundits alike, thought that that record would be one for the ages. Well, only ten years later... you know the rest of the story. Things change fast in tennis.

As for whether there will ever again be a player playing Federer's style of tennis - that's pretty hard to say, as it will be difficult to judge whether there will indeed be a player around even trying to master all of the shots like he did, as there is no need for that anymore with the modern technology and court speeds/bounces. I do hope so.
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maybe another change in court architecture is needed (the net, court size, i dont know).
they tried to counter the uniformity of the Serve / Serve and Volley era by slowing things down, and it worked. Actually this may be the factor that Fed adapted to first, while the rest of the field back then was too conservative, thus allowing him to dominate (aside his fantastic talents and all).

then came new talents that would slowly evolve completely new styles (the slow-court all-rounder), because they never had to play on high-speed courts most of the time and challenge him.
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But he lost 23 times against you.
's right. We have to also throw into the mix. But I do not think it is currently the decisive factor. But he has achieved in my opinion too much. Maybe this is crucial if I move him even closer after major victories. But 14 or 17 Grand Slam titles is a significant difference. At the present time there is no question that he must be the greater player than me.

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All that needs to happen is for a "very good" player like Fed (he is that)to play in an era of mugs. Statistically this is very likely. Odds inevitably turn against you. What Roger is experiencing now is that he needs to compete against two better players. Forget all this olderer stuff. His decline has nothing to do with getting older. His GS total would be 75% less had nadal been on the scene since day one. The title of the thread is misinformed and makes the wrong assumptions and inferences.
Misinformed, wrong assumptions and inferences indeed...
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Nah, I doubt it. You can copy the technique and gamestyle (ala Dimitrov), but the innate fluidity, anticipation, court awareness and pure tennis instinct, those are the things that make Federer unique. You can't teach any of that stuff, part of it is inborn, the rest develops through understanding and love for the game.

His records are another thing entirely. Some will be broken one day, just don't know if it will be in my lifetime.
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All that needs to happen is for a "very good" player like Fed (he is that)to play in an era of mugs. Statistically this is very likely. Odds inevitably turn against you. What Roger is experiencing now is that he needs to compete against two better players. Forget all this olderer stuff. His decline has nothing to do with getting older. His GS total would be 75% less had nadal been on the scene since day one. The title of the thread is misinformed and makes the wrong assumptions and inferences.
Is this a troll attempt or is this guy actually serious? Oracle is obviously a very biased poster but I haven't seen anything quite as much off the deep end as this.

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I mean style of play, game-wise, let's not even talk about achievements. Or arguably the best to see of all time vanish after his retirement.
Unless anybody has a crystal ball that actually works, who knows?

For his fans and people who are now able to watch and admire him, he is unique.

People who have watched players like Borg, JMac, etc. still talk about them with fondness.

However, tennis moves on and we will see new and exciting tennis players coming up. Once you've been a huge fan of one player in particular, there's the temptation to keep on comparing every newcomer to your own favorite, thereby risk missing the excitement others bring to the sport because in your eyes, he's just not that one player you admire.

So, we won't have another Federer (he's not gone yet, he may even have a number of big titles in him yet) but we will have other great and exciting players.

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I haven't seen anything quite as much off the deep end as this.
You don't visit GM often, I take it.
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Why are 90% of the people in this thread talking about records and achievements The OP explicitly said he wasn't talking about that.

I doubt we'll ever see any other players with quite the same style of play as Federer but I really hope we do. The beauty and elegance of his game is what made me love tennis.
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Why are 90% of the people in this thread talking about records and achievements
I don't think you can fully separate them, though.

I mean, Malisse (just to talk about my own favorite head-case), has a fluid game and when on, it's a marvel to watch, very beautiful. The fact that his game is rarely on for an entire set, let alone a full match makes it harder to watch. You don't focus on that beautiful game as much when he's losing his head all the damn time.

If you look at lower ranked players, players who are rarely in the picture, you'll see enough players with a stunning looking backhand, a beautiful forehand, etc. They often lack the mental strength, the willpower and who knows what else to make it a full package and make it work.

The fact that Federer has his beautiful game + he's been very consistent is what attracts people, not the beautiful game alone. If he'd only have that beautiful game but only very average results to show for it, we wouldn't be talking about it disappearing once he retires.
This is why 90% take the records and achievements into consideration IMO.
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