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Nadal on clay Discussion Thread

We all know Nadal is the best clay court player of all time. Do you think he is harder to beat at RG or Monte Carlo. He's won 6 in a row at MC, still has won 5 RG but not in a row. Is it safe to say that beating Nadal at Monte Carlo is hardest thing in tennis currently, considering surface speed and bounce vs Roland Garros, which plays faster to my understanding. I personally consider these two tournaments as hardest to win if your name is not Rafael Nadal. The floor is yours.
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Yep. Monte Carlo is Nadal's best event and is the hardest event to win if you're not Nadal. Even in 2003 as a 16 year old it took one of the best clay courters of the early to mid 00s to stop him (Coria d. Nadal 7-6 6-2 3rd round).

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Djokovic will beat him in Monte Carlo and RG. In fact, Djokovic will not lose another match for the rest of the season. So it is written on MTF, and so it must be.

In all seriousness, I think it's more difficult to beat him at Monte Carlo. Rarely does he get pushed to the limit like he has at RG on occasion (needing one or two TBs against Almugro last year, for example) Verdasco played out of his mind in the final and he only won a single game. Since his streak began, he's only lost four sets in Monte Carlo: one to an in-form Gasquet who had just beaten Federer, and the other three were in finals (Coria, Federer and Djokovic)

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Re: Nadal on clay

Monte Carlo is true clay. RG is a hard court with clay dust on it. Nadal is unstoppable at MC, players struggle to get games off him. RG is far more open because it was sped up. If all clay court season was played on MC clay, Nadal would never lose a match.
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Re: Nadal on clay

Actually i'd go with Roland Garros here for one simple reason - you have to win 3 sets of 5 to beat him which i think is harder against a good player.

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I would be surprised if Armani model won MC + Barcelona + Madrid + Roma + RG this year !!!
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Do you think he is harder to beat at RG or Monte Carlo.
at RG players must take 3 sets to Nadal, at Monte Carlo only 2,

but at RG Nadal can have problems with his knees ( RG2009 ) if he spent to much energy and intensity on previous tournaments ( this year he will play 4 tournaments on clay before RG : Monte Carlo, Barcelona, Madrid, Roma ), so a healthy and talented player can annoy and maybe beat Nadal at RG,

at Monte Carlo Nadal will be probably injury-free but I hope some players will find the solution ( maybe Djoko )
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Monte Carlo is probably the slowest clay court going now, since Estoril switched to quicker balls last year. Roland Garros the last two years has been the quickest of the sea level events, although it remains to be seen if this is an accident of weather.

There was an interesting series of clay matches between Djoko and Nadal in 2009, in the three masters...

Monte Carlo: Nadal was taken to three, but that's a little misleading, Nadal rather went to sleep in the second set, then 6-1 in the third. Serve was irrelevant, everything came back, 12 breaks of serve in 24 games!

Rome: Quicker court, more serve advantage. Tiebreak first set, very tight, before Djoko lost heart a bit in the second. 6 breaks in 20 games.

Madrid: Bit of altitude, ball flies. Both were able to impose their service advantage, and there were only 3 breaks in 33 games. With the extra speed and less breaks, Djoko was much much comfortable - he took the opener, other two went to tiebreaks. Brutal match.
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Actually i'd go with Roland Garros here for one simple reason - you have to win 3 sets of 5 to beat him which i think is harder against a good player.
+1 Fed and Djokovic both managed to win one set against Nadal in Monte-Carlo, and well, they could have won in a final set, the match between Nadal and Djokovic in 2009 was tighter than the final set score (6-1) indicates.

In 5-setter format that's another story, esp against such a physically strong guy.

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MC is also the first event of the claycourt season for most top guys, who generally play their way into claycourt form. Nadal morphs instantaneously into invincible dirtballer simply because of his innate superiority, physical strength and confidence on the surface; other guys need some time, which is one of the many reasons he has such a commanding record there (the primary reason still is that it is true clay).

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Nadal is unbeatable on clay.

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Re: Nadal on clay

Only Monfils can stop Nadal on clay today
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Only Monfils can stop Nadal on clay today
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Re: Nadal on clay

DJokovic will stop him
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