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Ferrer, Davydenko best returners according to combined ATP Matchfacts 2006-2010

Ferrer won 32.3% of return games between 2006 and 2010, the highest of anyone on tour. He also topped points won returning second serve with 55.2%. Davydenko comes in second with 32% of return games won and the Russian tops points won returning first serve with 34.2%. Nadal won the most break points at 44.6%.

To see how the rest (top 32 players according to match win percentage) measure up, see http://thebigtip.com.au/tennis/games...tistical-proof

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Not surprising.

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They can be the best returners.So what? If you're extremely good in one aspect of the game and not in all parts, you're not a champion.

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Thanks for the article

Ferrer's stat is also higher because he plays more on clay.

Also for him and Davydenko, they play more smaller tournaments where it's easier to raise that stat (like all of the stats made in %wins by the way ).

I do think that Djokovic is the current best returner (the stats cover a very large period since 2006 but since last year Djokovic improved a lot that part and I think he had the best stats for that last year), but Ferrer is clearly one of the best ones : I saw him return Ljubicic's serve damn well, which few players can do, also Raonic in Melbourne this year.

As for Davydenko, what's strange is that I saw that he doesn't perform very well against big servers quite often. It seems he doesn't like kicked serves especially.

Something else : stats don't always show it (because winning points on second serve can be made by something else than the return) but the abilities on return on first serve and second serve are two very different topics imo : on first serve your anticipation and eye are tested and you mostly try to "return in the court" first, on second serve the best players manage to be aggressive but the eye is less important.

For instance Berdych to me looks bad to return first serve but quite good at returning second serve. Ferrer is good for both.

Federer is good at returning first serves but doesn't have a very good ability to attack second serves (where most of the time players look for his backhand)

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Federer is good at returning first serves but doesn't have a very good ability to attack second serves (where most of the time players look for his backhand)
That's because he can't generate his own pace with his so called eastetically pleasing yet weak as piss backhand.
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Ferrer and Davydenko are just too good in their return-game!

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Ferrer I agree with- the faster the serve, the better the return.

Davydenko's is just behind the leading pack for ROS- I'd put him equal with say Djokovic's. Both struggle with big first serves but they can crack a few winners off 2nd serves.

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That's because he can't generate his own pace with his so called eastetically pleasing yet weak as piss backhand.
who actually has an ability to make great returns on second serve among the one-handed backhanders ?

Maybe Kohlschreiber ? sometimes Robredo ?

Double-handed backhanders look advantaged on this part.

Less on first serve where the one-handed backhand can catch some tough balls, but on second serve it's quite clear imo that double-handed backhands have a great advantage.

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by the way he's not in your stats but I remember that Chela was also one of the very highest ranked players

once again the fact that he plays a lot on clay must help.

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who actually has an ability to make great returns on second serve among the one-handed backhanders ?

Maybe Kohlschreiber ? sometimes Robredo ?

Double-handed backhanders look advantaged on this part.

Less on first serve where the one-handed backhand can catch some tough balls, but on second serve it's quite clear imo that double-handed backhands have a great advantage.
Kohlschreiber yes, Robredo certainly not that's a really really weak backhand.

Ljubicic, Wawrinka, Gasquet, Golubev are some players that can generate good pace.
Gonzalez too.
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For instance Berdych to me looks bad to return first serve but quite good at returning second serve. Ferrer is good for both.
Your observation certainly matches the stats; Berdych is 44th in points won on 1st serve and 12th on points won on second serve.

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Federer is good at returning first serves but doesn't have a very good ability to attack second serves (where most of the time players look for his backhand)

who actually has an ability to make great returns on second serve among the one-handed backhanders ?

Maybe Kohlschreiber ? sometimes Robredo ?

Double-handed backhanders look advantaged on this part.

Less on first serve where the one-handed backhand can catch some tough balls, but on second serve it's quite clear imo that double-handed backhands have a great advantage.
Another good observation. Federer is much higher on 1st serve return rank than 2nd serve and so is Wawrinka.

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Kohlschreiber yes, Robredo certainly not that's a really really weak backhand.

Ljubicic, Wawrinka, Gasquet, Golubev are some players that can generate good pace.
Gonzalez too.
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I have good impressions about Golubev and Ljubicic especially.

Gasquet I find a little bit disappointing on that return matter (even if we are talking about second serves here). Wawrinka not that good in my eyes as well.

And Gonzo well very seldom imo

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by the way he's not in your stats but I remember that Chela was also one of the very highest ranked players

once again the fact that he plays a lot on clay must help.
You're good!

Chela ranked 35th so missed the cut off but here are his ranking in each return category:
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Ret 1st Serve   Ret 2nd Serve   Break Points   Ret Games Won
5               16              14             10
Chela is the second best returner not on the list. The best is Volardri!
Code:
Ret 1st Serve   Ret 2nd Serve   Break Points   Ret Games Won
7               13              13             8
And that's all of the top 10 (in return games won).

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