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Has the game changed in the last two years?

Says Djokovic:
"I think tennis has changed tremendously since three years back. I was watching the tape of my Australian Open title in 2008 and comparing it to the one today my game has changed, but not just my game I think all the other players game has changed. In a couple of years already. I'm not sure if it's because of rackets and strings, I think it's because they're working harder, putting more hours on the practice courts, they're hitting the ball unbelievably strong, so it's become a very physical game".

I've heard other pros like Federer say that. Is it possible that the game has changed just in two years? And with these changes what direction will the game take in the future? Could it become more physical yet? what are the limits to that?



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Re: Has the game changed in the last two years?

i bet he was also having a cup of true tea and browsing through his book while he watched that recording

his game has undoubtedly changed. Nadal has improved as well.

Murray on the other hand seems to have peaked for the 2008 Masters Series
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Re: Has the game changed in the last two years?

Everyone's is still the same IMO

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Re: Has the game changed in the last two years?

milos has entered the game in 2011... so of course its changed... were are entering the 90's again...


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Re: Has the game changed in the last two years?

I don't think so at all.

By the way, I'm surprised when I read Djokovic's fans constantly underrating what he did in 2008 (at least until Wimbledon) as if it was nothing, Djokovic was "immature", etc ...

Esp for Nole's fans to remind them who Djokovic was in 2007 and esp 2008 :

- in 2007 a slam final in the US Open (lost to Fed after 3 very tight sets), two semi-finals in Roland-Garros (to Nadal) and Wimbledon (retires after winning first set against Nadal after 3 incredible matches against Kiefer, Hewitt and esp Baghdatis in 4 rainy days ... was much more convincing that year than last year imo), had lost in R16 of the AO only to Federer, two MS wins in Miami (where he destroyed everybody including Nadal and Murray) and Montreal (3 tight and superb sets won against Federer, after defeating in straight sets Nadal, Roddick and Nalbandian), one MS final, his first one, in Indian Wells, lost to Nadal after crushing Murray

- in 2008 Djokovic won the Australian open destroying everybody in straight sets except Tsonga, reached the semi in Roland-Garros losing only to peak Nadal, won the WTF, reaches US Open semifinal losing in 4 sets to Fed after defeating Roddick, wins Indian Wells (crushes Nadal) and Roma, plays an incredible match against Nadal in Hamburg, reaches the final in Cinci after defeating Nadal in semi, reaches the semi of the Olympics losing only to Nadal ; only failure in Wimbledon losing to Safin but a huge Nadal had terribly hurt his confidence in Hamburg, RG and finally in a great match in the Queens

In my opinion he was great and very regular in 2007-2008, a regularity at top-level which he has not approached since, and I even think that doing again what he did in 2008 might be enough to get to number 1 this year if Nadal is not as good as he was in 2008/2010.

In 2008 both Nadal and Federer were at the top, yet Fed finished a very few points ahead of Djokovic in the rankings in the end of the year.

In 2011 Fed will probably not be as good, and it's not sure that Nadal will be as good as well.

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Nadal has improved as well.
it's not clear that Nadal was better in 2010 than in 2008.

At least it is clear to me that his backhand was better in 2008 than it was in 2010.

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Re: Has the game changed in the last two years?

excellent thread and topic.

the game has changed and continues to change with each passing year.

quite simply put, the game is fast and getting faster by the day. this is true for women as well.

did anybody see petra abuse kim clijsters the other day in france? well you get the picture. she bombed away with her serve and produced lethal pace off the ground. and i mean just punishing stuff off the ground.

the significantly faster game of today and tomorrow will require better and better athletes. and that is the direction the game is headed.

more next time.

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Re: Has the game changed in the last two years?

I thought '04-'07 was the weak Federer era and '08-present was the strong Nadal era?

Perhaps, '04-'07 was the weak Federer era and '08-'10 was the weak Nadal era? Does that mean 2011 onwards is the strong Djokovic era?
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Re: Has the game changed in the last two years?

I think Nadal's improvements have led to improvements on his followers too.

Federer needed to improve the backhand, get a coach and play more aggressive.

I also feel that Djokovic plays a lot better right now than he did in 2008.


2011 is going to be a fantastic year. I look forward what Djokovic can do on clay this year.


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I also feel that Djokovic plays a lot better right now than he did in 2008.
he maybe played a little bit better in the AO semifinal but that's all : overall if you consider all the months before, he was playing better in 2007-2008 and was very regular.

He hasn't played a MS1000 final in all 2010 ! only a slam final and not even the semifinal in RG.

I remember the semifinal in Hamburg 2008 : since when have I seen Djokovic playing that good that regularly as he did in that time ?

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I was watching the tape of my Australian Open title in 2008 and comparing it to the one today my game has changed...

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I was watching the tape of my Australian Open title in 2008 and comparing it to the one today my game has changed,
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Re: Has the game changed in the last two years?

The game is always changing as the mix of players is always changing. The more familiar the players become to each others' games the more they develop their own new ways of dealing with their opponents and these tactics leak into their everyday games over time -- they all adapt off of each other. I don't think this is something unique to recent years. Tennis is always changing. Of course equipment changes can play their part too (isn't Djokovic using a different racquet now than in 2008?).
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Re: Has the game changed in the last two years?

I disagree. I thought 2008 was a very tough year, 2009-2010 were relatively subpar years competition wise and 2011 is shaping up to be a very tough year again.
However the quality of tennis hasn't changed that much in the last 8 years.

Courts have definitely slowed down (the USO10 played ridiculously slow compared to say the USO04) which favors games like Nadal, Djokovic and Murray (eg steady, controlled aggression) but then I don't think their brand of tennis is any sort of epiphany of tennis, it merely has come into its own under the right circumstances.

There are a few players bringing the speed back into the game (eg Del Potro, Raonic, Soderling) but for the most part I think this era is defined by Rafa's brand of baseline tennis. I contrast that a little bit to the Nalbandian, Davydenko, Federer brand of baseline tennis in vogue in mid 2k which is slightly more offensive and less about the power of the rally balls, and more about the quality of shotmaking that finishes the point.
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