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Re: Which 2 slam wonder was better Djokovic or Rafter

Putting aside dubious claims of "weak eras" and the like, I'd give it to Nole simply off the strength of his resume. 3 more MS titles, a YEC, Olympic medal, he's been a much more consistent fixture in the top 3 and has as many deep runs in Slams at a much younger age.

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This thread I'm afraid does not make sense as one player is retired and the other has at least 6 years left at the top bar any serious injury.

A better comparison would be Rafter v Kafelnikov or Safin.
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Re: Which 2 slam wonder was better Djokovic or Rafter

Rafter's '97 USO was a joke. He got lucky that Pete had an off day and lost to somebody else. He got lucky that Andre was having an off-year.

His '98 USO was legit.

Nole's '08 and '11 AO's were both perfectly legit - he was quite simply the world's best tennis player for those 2 weeks in January both times and he proved it. It might have been even more legit if Rafa has decided to show up... but that shouldn't take anything away from the fact that Nole played the world's best and they couldn't take a set from him.

There are interesting parallels, though. Especially the Greg Rusedski/Jo Willy comparison.
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This thread I'm afraid does not make sense.
Then breaak out your Funk and Wagnalls and start reading with the intention of comprehending.
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Puh lease. Djokovic is ahead already at 23
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Then breaak out your Funk and Wagnalls and start reading with the intention of comprehending.
You're not a politician are you? Best to quote my whole sentence and not part of it, then comprehension will be easy for you.
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agreed. + he's SEXIER!


djokovic won't end up being a '2 slam wonder' though.
O Niki, you're so clueless.

It's a no brainer. Novak has the largest female fanbase because he's sexier.



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nobody has defined it more precisely.
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O Niki, you're so clueless.

It's a no brainer. Novak has the largest female fanbase because he's sexier.
hicdick is a she? A scouse bird then!

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Rafter is the better player. However, looking at titles and all that Djokovic has the better career.

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Novak's results are clearly, slightly better then thanks to the ATPWTF and 150% more Masters 1000 titles. It must have been much easier to reach #1 in the 90's if Rafter did it with those results so it desn't really count... Was Pete and André more inconsistent than Rafa & Rogie?

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Rafter's '97 USO was a joke. He got lucky that Pete had an off day and lost to somebody else. He got lucky that Andre was having an off-year.
-97 was a career high for Agassi.
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hicdick is a she? A scouse bird then!
Nah. She is a he.

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Rafter competed in an era of legends, winning two grand slams and reaching the no 1 ranking, all the while playing the most attractive tennis imaginable. Djokovic is competing in an era of clowns, where all the surfaces play exactly the same way, and he can play his dull, unimaginative baseline tennis all year round.

In short, Rafter will always have the superior career to Djokovic, even if this talentless Balkan clown manages to fluke his way to another ten slams (and in this pathetic era of tennis, if he were to do so it would not surprise me in the least).
Djokovic may not be the most talented in the rarified atmosphere of the top 5 current players in the world (I consider Federer, Nadal and Murray have more talent), but must have immense talent to reach top 3 level and GS winning level.
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2 Grand Slams (2 US Opens)
2 Grand Slam runner-up (both Wimbledon)
A week at no 1 in the world, more than most
2 Masters Series titles (the back to back Canada/Cincy double)
Reached all four GS semis, and the finals of two of them in an era of very contrasting surfaces


Djokovic

2 Grand Slams (2 Australian Opens)
2 GS runner-up (2 US Opens)
A couple of weeks at no 2
5 Masters Series
1 YEC
Reached all four GS semis (though I feel it's a little tainted by the homogenization of surfaces, as good a record as it is)


It's closer. But I feel Rafter's era was tougher and I give the edge to him. Reaching 2 Wimby finals in a hugely competitive grass era with the likes of Henman, Escude, Sampras, Krajicek, Philippoussis, Hewitt, Martin, Ivanisevic, Agassi etc was hugely impressive. He's more remembered too if you ask the average tennis mark.

If Nole wins another one then yeah he will overtake Patrick. But I'll always prefer Rafter, in game style and personality. Brilliant fella.
Very true.

As Rafter has retired and Djokovic is almost certain to add key titles this thread will eventually be made redundant as Djokovic is almost certain to overtake Rafter.
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Rafter is the better player. However, looking at titles and all that Djokovic has the better career.
Questionable if you compare Djokovic and Rafter:

Serve: Little in it although Djokovic has more variety while Rafter mostly served a very good kick serve.
Forehand: Djokovic well ahead.
Backhand: Djokovic well ahead.
Return of serve: Djokovic well ahead.
Passing shots: Djokovic well ahead.
Volley: Rafter in a different league and well ahead.
Overhead: Rafter in a different league and well ahead.
Movement: Slight edge to Djokovic.
Mental toughness: Little difference.

Rafter was a better attacking player with an exceptional net game. Djokovic seems to be much better in every other aspect.
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