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Re: which 2 slam wonder was better jokeovic or rafter

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What is Rafter's resumé?
2 Grand Slams (2 US Opens)
2 Grand Slam runner-up (both Wimbledon)
A week at no 1 in the world, more than most
2 Masters Series titles (the back to back Canada/Cincy double)
Reached all four GS semis, and the finals of two of them in an era of very contrasting surfaces


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2 Grand Slams (2 Australian Opens)
2 GS runner-up (2 US Opens)
A couple of weeks at no 2
5 Masters Series
1 YEC
Reached all four GS semis (though I feel it's a little tainted by the homogenization of surfaces, as good a record as it is)


It's closer. But I feel Rafter's era was tougher and I give the edge to him. Reaching 2 Wimby finals in a hugely competitive grass era with the likes of Henman, Escude, Sampras, Krajicek, Philippoussis, Hewitt, Martin, Ivanisevic, Agassi etc was hugely impressive. He's more remembered too if you ask the average tennis mark.

If Nole wins another one then yeah he will overtake Patrick. But I'll always prefer Rafter, in game style and personality. Brilliant fella.

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Re: Which 2 slam wonder was better Djokovic or Rafter

rafter also played with real surface differences

you couldn't dominate all surfaces in the 90s

pete at his best won 3 in a row and got owned at RG (his record there before 97 was very impressive)

rafter is part of the reason the 90s were such a strong era

djokvic is a good hard courter
shit on slow grass- he would get routined by pioline on REAL grass
ok on clay.... no actually he's shit on clay- there's only 2 good clay courters in the world- and almugro aint one of them- and djokovic still cant do shit

i think overall slam counts are misleading

borgs 11 is > than emersons 12

regardless of all that- djokovic has only won 2 slams when federer was either fucking poised or olderer
and worse yet, djokovic actually let nadull beat him at the US OPEN- nadulls worst surface

beating murray in a slam final isn't an achievement- even federer looks embarrassed to beat murray because its so easy

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Re: Which 2 slam wonder was better Djokovic or Rafter

It's too bad Rafter was such a late bloomer. The man had immaculate net play and kick serves that played into his style perfectly -- but he was somewhat limited in his return game and to a lesser extent his ground strokes. Both players really fit their respective eras well, Rafter, the aggressive net player, Djokovic, the complete baseliner. As Djokovic will almost undoubtedly retire with significantly better achievements, the argument is really superfluous, and more about preference. Rafter's defeats over Sampras at the USO were the stuff of legends, though.

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Re: Which 2 slam wonder was better Djokovic or Rafter

Rafter, but Djoker can certainly pass him (and he will).
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Djokovic only ever won the Australian Open. And has not even made the Final of a clay or grass slam. Rafter was in 3 Wimbledon Finals , Roland Garros Semi , Australian Open Semi , and won 2 US Opens.

And like I said before can you really imagine Djokovic even threatening Sampras at the US Open and Agassi at Wimbledon(twice)? Rafter beat them both at those venues. The slam resume is clearly in favor of Rafter. No comparison.

Djokovic is more of a reactive player , and he beat Murray because Murray was not aggressive. Rafa pushed Djokovic around and beat him at the USO comfortably. Rafter was the opposite to Murray because Rafter took the game away from his opponent , made them look clueless.
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Re: Which 2 slam wonder was better Djokovic or Rafter

Nole

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Rafter. By a long way.
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2 Grand Slams (2 US Opens)
2 Grand Slam runner-up (both Wimbledon)
A week at no 1 in the world, more than most
2 Masters Series titles (the back to back Canada/Cincy double)
Reached all four GS semis, and the finals of two of them in an era of very contrasting surfaces


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2 Grand Slams (2 Australian Opens)
2 GS runner-up (2 US Opens)
A couple of weeks at no 2
5 Masters Series
1 YEC
Reached all four GS semis (though I feel it's a little tainted by the homogenization of surfaces, as good a record as it is)


It's closer. But I feel Rafter's era was tougher and I give the edge to him. Reaching 2 Wimby finals in a hugely competitive grass era with the likes of Henman, Escude, Sampras, Krajicek, Philippoussis, Hewitt, Martin, Ivanisevic, Agassi etc was hugely impressive. He's more remembered too if you ask the average tennis mark.

If Nole wins another one then yeah he will overtake Patrick. But I'll always prefer Rafter, in game style and personality. Brilliant fella.
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Re: Which 2 slam wonder was better Djokovic or Rafter

Rafter was 3-0 against Federer , beating him on every surface..... Grass,clay and hard court

And he did it the same year Fed beat Sampras.

Pat actually destroyed Roger.



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And like I said before can you really imagine Djokovic even threatening Sampras at the US Open and Agassi at Wimbledon(twice)?
Why not? Sampras lost to some random at the US Open in 1994, one of his best seasons.
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I love Patrick, he was one of my first tennis faves but I gotta say that so far Nole's résumé is better

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Nole.

Rafter has an amazingly low title-count for a former #1.

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Rafter competed in an era of legends, winning two grand slams and reaching the no 1 ranking, all the while playing the most attractive tennis imaginable. Djokovic is competing in an era of clowns, where all the surfaces play exactly the same way, and he can play his dull, unimaginative baseline tennis all year round.

In short, Rafter will always have the superior career to Djokovic, even if this talentless Balkan clown manages to fluke his way to another ten slams (and in this pathetic era of tennis, if he were to do so it would not surprise me in the least).
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Rafter competed in an era of legends, winning two grand slams and reaching the no 1 ranking, all the while playing the most attractive tennis imaginable. Djokovic is competing in an era of clowns, where all the surfaces play exactly the same way, and he can play his dull, unimaginative baseline tennis all year round.

In short, Rafter will always have the superior career to Djokovic, even if this talentless Balkan clown manages to fluke his way to another ten slams (and in this pathetic era of tennis, if he were to do so it would not surprise me in the least).


hm, i bet people in the era of legends you are talking about, also complained and cried for the era of edberg, becker, lendl, etc etc...

the fact is, most of those legends would be heaving and grasping for air after three sets, with the pace the game is played at today. Each era has its specifics and its legends.
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