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Anybody else unsatisfied with the way Federer played that fifth set against Simon?

Sure, he won and that's the important thing but judging by the way in which he played that final set, I think he was a little bit lucky. Instead of going back to a more aggressive style of playing (indeed, Federer's own style), he resorted to a passive and very conservative strategy, almost as if he was afraid of going for the winners. At the end, Simon comitted some crucial mistakes and Federer was good enough to take advantage of them and break his serve in the sixth game but would that same strategy be enough to beat someone like Nadal who's especially clutch in fifth sets? I think not.

In the presser, Federer said that when the match goes to a fifth set you just trow tactics and gameplan "out of the window" and basically just try to win. Well, you need the tactics to win, esp. when it comes to win a fifth set, imo. At the end, Federer got the win here but for me it wasn't that convinicing at all.

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Sure, he won and that's the important thing but judging by the way in which he played that final set, I think he was a little bit lucky. Instead of going back to a more aggressive style of playing (indeed, Federer's own style), he resorted to a passive and very conservative strategy, almost as if he was afraid of going for the winners. At the end, Simon comitted some crucial mistakes and Federer was good enough to take advantage of them and break his serve in the sixth game but would that same strategy be enough to beat someone like Nadal who's especially clutch in fifth sets? I think not.

In the presser, Federer said that when the match goes to a fifth set you just trow tactics and gameplan "out of the window" and basically just try to win. Well, you need the tactics to win, esp. when it comes to win a fifth set, imo. At the end, Federer got the win here but for me it wasn't that convinicing at all.
He should have tanked that 5th set. He looked like a toothless lion in that match and I don't want to see a suffering Fed in this tourney anymore. I'm a philanthropist
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Re: Anybody else unsatisfied with the way Federer played that fifth set against Simon

in the fifth set if Simon had a better serve ( his main weakness ) he would probably win this match
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Re: Anybody else unsatisfied with the way Federer played that fifth set against Simon

Fairly decent analysis posted by ApproachShot in the Fed-Simon thread

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Straight Sets - Tennis Blog of The New York Times
January 19, 2011, 5:00 pm

Analysis: How Federer Survived Simon
By GEOFF MACDONALD


After coming back from a two set deficit to force a fifth set, Gilles Simon looked brazenly confident as he outhit Roger Federer from the baseline. He kept the ball deep to Federer’s backhand, and when Federer changed direction and went down the line, the quick Simon laced into a forehand cross-court that moved Federer hard to his right, and also opened up the backhand side again. He had the tactical hook deep in Federer’s side, and the momentum was on his side.

How, then, did Federer escape? It wasn’t any one tactical change, but a series of subtle variations that allowed him to wrest control of the match from Simon and his inspired play. Serving at 1-1 in the fifth set, Federer fell behind, love-30, on his serve. Brad Gilbert calls this point a “hidden ad” for Simon because if he can win one of the next three points he will have a break point.

Federer was on a dangerous precipice here. His response? A great serve wide, and an inside out forehand drop shot that fooled Simon. It was a gutsy, creative shot, and it required a quick grip change — from a semi Western to a continental — and perfect touch. The shot selection signaled a tactical shift in Federer’s game plan, an attempt to mix in touch with his usual power baseline game.

At 15-30, Federer hit a hard slice up the middle for a service winner. Another first serve at 30 all gave him a short ball. The drop shot two points ago forced Simon to play closer to the baseline, and this time Federer ripped an inside out forehand approach that Simon couldn’t touch. He won the game with an ace at the T.

The next critical game came with Simon serving at 2-3. Rather than trade explosive groundstrokes, Federer began to vary spin on his backhand, slicing the ball to slow the point down and force Simon to work harder and play with patience. Federer very subtly shifted the pressure of the match on to Simon. When he finally got a break point, Federer ran down a Simon drop volley, covering the court in four breathtaking strides to flick a forehand down the line past Simon. Once again, this required a shift to a continental grip.

After holding serve to go up, 5-2, Federer quickly moved to love-40 on Simon’s serve. He played two drop shots –one off of each side- to get the first two points. His use of touch had changed Simon’s baseline rhythm, and he moved to triple match point. But Simon hung tough, holding off a net rushing Federer and salvaging the match with a courageous hold.

Here Federer used his main weapon, his serve, to try and put this match away. Federer relied on his favorite serve — the wide slice to the deuce — to maneuver Simon well outside the sideline as he made his return. He quickly moved to match point at 40-30. After a long rally, Federer moved forward to attack a short forehand. Remarkably, he tried the inside out forehand drop shot again. This time the ball caught the tape, hung in the air for a second, and fell back. Deuce.

This point showed Federer’s genius more than any other in the fifth set. He once again went wide on his first serve, but netted it. Now, at deuce, having just lost a match point, Federer prepared to hit his second serve.

The percentages shifted in favor of Simon, who moved forward, looking to take the return early and put Federer on his heels. For the entire match, Federer was only winning 43% of second serve points. In the fifth set, the numbers were even bleaker. Of 11 points on his second serve, Federer had won only 3 of them.

He hit another wide slice to the forehand, with a bit more spin for clearance but with plenty of pace, and Simon hit a good return deep crosscourt. Federer unloaded on a down the line forehand that landed a foot inside the lines. Simon defended well, blocking back a backhand that kept him in the point.

Here Federer burst forward, moving with desire and urgency to close in and volley a backhand angle crosscourt for a winner. With three decisions to play to win – the big second serve, the attacking forehand, and the sprint forward to play a volley- Federer put himself once again at match point. He took intelligent risks to put Simon away. His final service winner was almost anticlimactic.

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in the fifth set if Simon had a better serve ( his main weakness ) he would probably win this match
had he at least served first, he would have won........federina was in total shock mode.......simon served second in all the 3rd, 4th and 5th sets........
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Save your suggestions to yourself because they are not more valuable than a player's opinion. You need to do blah blah blah. What do you know about playing a 5th set? Nothing.

In case you don't remember, he was 0-2 vs Simon before the match. This time he won.
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had he at least served first, he would have won........federina was in total shock mode.......simon served second in all the 3rd, 4th and 5th sets........
I know I will regret asking this, but please do amuse me and explain how Simon would have won had he served first?
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I know I will regret asking this, but please do amuse me and explain how Simon would have won had he served first?
when was the last time that federina served second in the fifth set in a slam and still won?
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he was 0-2 vs Simon before the match. This time he won.
You know what? If we take the fact that Fed is a primordial fossil into consideration, this is a nice win. Shame on Simon for screwing this up...
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I know I will regret asking this, but please do amuse me and explain how Simon would have won had he served first?
That's how it is. When Federer wins, it's never because he was the better player. It's because his opponent was tired, Fed was lucky, umpire was biased, somebody forgot to wear a pair of lucky underwear, opponents coach had one too many egg in the hotel buffet and couldn't create a proper game plan. The list is endless.

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had he at least served first, he would have won........federina was in total shock mode.......simon served second in all the 3rd, 4th and 5th sets........
How did he win in 3rd and 4th sets serving second but not in 5th Oh whatever suits your clownish excuses. By the way do you think AO organizers had something to do with Who's serving first or second in Federer - Simon match to prevent Nadal winning AO
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Re: Anybody else unsatisfied with the way Federer played that fifth set against Simon

silly me, i wasn't expected these many nadaltard responses

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when was the last time that federina served second in the fifth set in a slam and still won?

Just as I expected, an incoherent rambling response that in no way answered my question.
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That's how it is. When Federer wins, it's never because he was the better player. It's because his opponent was tired, Fed was lucky, umpire was biased, somebody forgot to wear a pair of lucky underwear, opponents coach had one too many egg in the hotel buffet and couldn't create a proper game plan. The list is endless.
You got that right.

Federer is a fraud and has lucked to all of his 16 majors, 67 tournament wins.
His 23 GS semis in row was a fluke run, he only did it because he had such easy draws (unlike Nadal who always faces the toughest opponents).

That sad thing is that some fanboys actually would believe that.
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Re: Anybody else unsatisfied with the way Federer played that fifth set against Simon

I was not extremely impressed by Fed int he 5th, especially having in mind sets 1 + 2.
But lets be fair. Fed said that conditions slowed down and he could not play as aggressive as in sets 1,2. also Simon was getting tired. you don't want to lose the match because you overplay. Fed might have felt that.
Fed nearly won that set 6:2. we can't say he did bad here.

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