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Nadal vs. Sampras Thread

Lately we have seen many threads debating wether Federer or Sampras is the greatest payer ever. It has been pointed out how similar the two players are statwise at a certain juncture in their career.

It lately struck me just how much ahead Nadal is of both Sampras and Federer as a teenager. Here's to put things into perspective.
Nadal has now won..

14 titles - well ahead of the likes of Rafter, Mecir and Ferrero, trailing players like Safin and Rosset by only 1 title.

5 TMS events - just insane for a teenager, already 6th on the all-time list.

a lone slam. But neither Sampras nor Federer did better as a teen.

The sole reason Nadal hasn't been number one yet is because there is a certain Swiss powerhouse in the game. Yet Nadal finished 2005 with a ranking point total which would have seen him as #1 each but one year between 1997 and 2003.

Nadal obviously posted most of his results on clay, but he has proven he can win on other surfaces too, with masters shields on carpet and hard court. In a way you can picture Nadal as an inverse Sampras. Rafa has clay as his base, can play well on carpet and hard courts too, but has one surface which might become an eternal problem... grass. It will be very interesting to see if Nadal can adept his game to become a force on grass too and if he manages to prevent the mid twenties burnout which seems to be common among clay court specialists these days.

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Re: Forget the Federer-Sampras comparisons, here's Nadal!

What's the point of this thread, that Nadal will become the GOAT? Isn't it a bit early to say at 19? Anyway I thought Laver was the GOAT.

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Re: Forget the Federer-Sampras comparisons, here's Nadal!

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What's the point of this thread, that Nadal will become the GOAT? Isn't it a bit early to say at 19? Anyway I thought Laver was the GOAT.
Of course it's too early to tell, but with Nadal's results he is well on his way to immortality. I just wanted to point out how far ahead Nadal is at his age.

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Re: Forget the Federer-Sampras comparisons, here's Nadal!

Hahahahaha. This thread. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
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Re: Forget the Federer-Sampras comparisons, here's Nadal!

I like this thread . . . He has tons of records, and still is only a teenager. It is early in his career, which leads me to think about how much more he will accomplish. He's amazing.

ATPtennis.com is also posting a lot of stuff about him lately, if you scroll down the page, you will see that he has the best record in finals, 87.5%. He is also on the way to holding the most consecutive wins on clay, right behind Borg, and Vilas.

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Re: Forget the Federer-Sampras comparisons, here's Nadal!

I have to admit Rafa is a phenomenon. Those stats are just crazy for someone aged only 19....hell for anyone for that matter. Those who hate him love to think that it's inevitable that he burns out, but I just don't see it happening. Very interesting comparison you're making between Rafa and Pete. Very good. This guy has won more Masters than Hewitt, JCF, Safin, Coria etc. With an all but guaranteed win this week in Barcelona, he's going to match the great Marat in the number of tournaments won. He's beaten the likes of Agassi, Federer, Ljubicic on their favourite surfaces. I hope they seed him 2nd at Wimbledon so we can see whether he's made any improvements on that surface...enough to meet Rogi in the final. I would really enjoy THAT match safe in the knowledge that Rogi would prevail
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Re: Forget the Federer-Sampras comparisons, here's Nadal!

i will be more than happy if nadal gets into QF of wimbledon within next 2 years...

actually if nadal continues to improve his serve, to produce faster serve, i can see him into the semi.... he is more willing to come to the net these days and his volley is not bad at all, he has still got plenty of room to imrpove... and i really believe he can win wimbledon one day...

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Re: Forget the Federer-Sampras comparisons, here's Nadal!

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What's the point of this thread, that Nadal will become the GOAT? Isn't it a bit early to say at 19? Anyway I thought Laver was the GOAT.
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Re: Forget the Federer-Sampras comparisons, here's Nadal!

Somehow i doubt Nadal will be able to win 10 + slams in his life unless he wins RG year after year till 30!
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Re: Forget the Federer-Sampras comparisons, here's Nadal!

for one thing
what Rafael is doing is phenomenal
even more impressive than Federer in my book
everyone seems to concentrate on federer,
but they overlook or love to hate a 19 year playing with the maturity & determination that many champs didnt have
it is usually that players who enjoy success early on have a shorter influenc eor domination as they grow older
u always have exception & Nadal surely looks like one
his serve is impriving & will continue , maybe to become a weapon
apart from the 2 player, no one on the circuit is even close to doing well
I mention Ljubo becoz he has a solid game, starting to believe he belongs with the beset
which will help in his GS.

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Re: Forget the Federer-Sampras comparisons, here's Nadal!

If they called then masters series events back in the 80's , Lendle would have about 30 lol .

Federer and Nadal will probably both shatter Agassis record of 17 because they weren't called masters series events back in the late 80's early 90's .
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Re: Forget the Federer-Sampras comparisons, here's Nadal!

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Of course it's too early to tell, but with Nadal's results he is well on his way to immortality. I just wanted to point out how far ahead Nadal is at his age.
OH please he's only 19. How do we know what he'll be doing 2, 3, 5 years from now? I think it's way too early to tell. I think it's ridiculous to say he's on his way to immortality, just like it would be ridiculous to say Roger will break Pete's record of 14 slams when he's only half way there.

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Re: Forget the Federer-Sampras comparisons, here's Nadal!

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even more impressive than Federer in my book
Far more impressive than Sampras in my book
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Re: Forget the Federer-Sampras comparisons, here's Nadal!

oh come on!

Im rafa fan, but I honestly doubt that he will be able to win someday Wimbledon. if someone is close to "inmortality" like a poster said, is Roger. and he's everyday closer to do really well on clay. he has showed last week in Montecarlo.
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Re: Forget the Federer-Sampras comparisons, here's Nadal!

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OH please he's only 19. How do we know what he'll be doing 2, 3, 5 years from now? I think it's way too early to tell. I think it's ridiculous to say he's on his way to immortality, just like it would be ridiculous to say Roger will break Pete's record of 14 slams when he's only half way there.
Didn't Purple Rain say the same thing?
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Of course it's too early to tell
It's much too soon to talk about entire career comparisons at this point given Nadal's age but some people are merely impressed with what he has done SO FAR. Is there anything wrong with that?

Furthermore, I agree that it's ridiculous to say that Roger WILL break Pete's 14 slams record but it's not ridiculous to say that Roger's accomplishments at this point are very impressive and he's very capable of beating that record. Don't you agree?

This is - at least as far as I am concerned - not at all a GOAT discussion (because for me, it's utterly ridiculous to do that at this point) but simply the observation that his accomplisments at his age are remarkable. Nothing more, nothing less. What's the problem with that?
As a Rafa fan, what he has done so far impresses me a lot but he needs to do more on various surfaces before we can start about the GOAT thing. A lot can happen over the years.

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