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View Poll Results: Why Rafa never manages to win WTF ?
He is always tired at the end of the season... 6 11.11%
He is always injured at the end of the season... 0 0%
He was never really the best of the best in a calendar year 6 11.11%
He doesn't care for WTF... 2 3.70%
He hates playing indoors... 13 24.07%
Federer is always there to stop him... 14 25.93%
Is Rafa's career already over ? He will do it, eventually! 13 24.07%
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post #1 of 76 (permalink) Old 12-28-2010, 06:19 PM Thread Starter
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Why Nadal never won WTF/YEC ?

He never managed to win the tournament of the champions. Federer, Sampras, Agassi, all the all time greats (Nastase, Lendl, Becker, Edberg, McEnroe etc.) and even Djokovic did it.

Why the spaniard never manages to do it ?

Basically, beating 4 or 5 of all 7 of your top 8 fellow players, during a week, is the ultimate proof that you're the best of the best. A grand slam win can be a fluke due to lucky draws, but winning WTF is a result that cannot be contested not even by the ultimate MTF tard, so to speak...

So, why the mallorquin is unable to establish himself firmly as the best of the best by beating all the elite players at the end of the season ?

Is he always tired ?
Is he usually injured?
He hates playing indoors?
He doesn't care ?
Maybe he is not the best ?

Any other option?

Pls. vote and discuss ....

Q. Do you think you would have been able to play as well as you played today, or you think you would have pulled out from the game if it wasn't the Masters Cup final?

ROGER FEDERER: No, Roger Federer doesn't pull out. Otherwise he doesn't walk on court (smiling).


After losing to Nalbandian in 2005 TMC final...

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Re: Why Nadal never won WTF/YEC ?

Basically because moonballing isn't the way to win indoor tournaments.
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Re: Why Nadal never won WTF/YEC ?

who the hell cares.

How many WTF did Becker win ....who did he play against? How about Mcenroe?? Sampras.....

the answer no one remembers! And no one cares.
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Re: Why Nadal never won WTF/YEC ?

One of the posts above while sarcastic has much validity and let's remember Nadal has only qualified what since 2005 or 2006, so he's got plenty of time to win a Yec he's only 24 let's not forget.

I guess we are all bored and I am included so I also repond.

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So long Marat Safin, C'mon Lleyton Hewitt,Viel gluck Tommy Haas, Bring it on Marcos Baghdatis, Gut Spielen Nicolas Kiefer, Dale Fernando Gonzalez, Dale David Nalbandian, Davai Nikolay Davydenko and Allez Jo-Wilfried Tsonga

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Re: Why Nadal never won WTF/YEC ?

Combo of he hates playing indoors and Federer stopping him. Federer is a superior indoor player and has always trumped him in either the semis or final
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because no one gives a flying fuck about chicken shit glamour events with 3 sets format played inside a dull and dark auditorium........
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Re: Why Nadal never won WTF/YEC ?

The reason Nadal lost was because they only played half a match.

it was not a best of five match,.....if the match continued Nadal would have beaten Federer
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Re: Why Nadal never won WTF/YEC ?

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Basically, beating 4 or 5 of all 7 of your top 8 fellow players, during a week, is the ultimate proof that you're the best of the best. A grand slam win can be a fluke due to lucky draws, but winning WTF is a result that cannot be contested not even by the ultimate MTF tard, so to speak...
Exactly! Davydenko belongs in GOAT debates, since Slam wins are flukes and a WTF win with wins over all the Slam winners of the season (like Davydenko did in 2009 while winning zero himself, no less, how special is that? He made absolutely sure he did not get branded a fluke champion with a lame GS win!) is ultimate proof he is the best player to have wielded a tennis racquet.

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Federer is a tennis god. Big john (Isner) was lucky to be a witness to what was on show today. Tough match vs Seppi next round
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The foaming-at-the-mouth blind fanboyism and double standards of these posts (F. mates) is so overwhelming that it strikes me as a self-parody.

"Tough match?" World #3 Federer's ("greatest player to have ever played the game," you just said before rushing off the bathroom to change your underwear) H2H against World #58 Seppi is 6-0.

If it wasn't tough, Federer's victory would not be as glorious and godlike! Naturally, if Seppi and Isner were in Nadal's side of the draw, any victory that he managed to scrape out against these Tough Titans of Tennis would be pure luck!
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because no one gives a flying fuck about chicken shit glamour events with 3 sets format played inside a dull and dark auditorium........
This was not an option, but knowing you, I can only laugh at the sight of your post. You outtarded urself

Q. Do you think you would have been able to play as well as you played today, or you think you would have pulled out from the game if it wasn't the Masters Cup final?

ROGER FEDERER: No, Roger Federer doesn't pull out. Otherwise he doesn't walk on court (smiling).


After losing to Nalbandian in 2005 TMC final...
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because no one gives a flying fuck about chicken shit glamour events with 3 sets format played inside a dull and dark auditorium........
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Re: Why Nadal never won WTF/YEC ?

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Exactly! Davydenko belongs in GOAT debates, since Slam wins are flukes and a WTF win with wins over all the Slam winners of the season (like Davydenko did in 2009 while winning zero himself, no less, how special is that? He made absolutely sure he did not get branded a fluke champion with a lame GS win!) is ultimate proof he is the best player to have wielded a tennis racquet.
Pls. stick to the subject. GOAT debate does not belong here. GOAT is a funny concept, very abstract and havng not so much in common with reality. We have trophies for slams and YEcs, but a GOAT is just a personal view.

Q. Do you think you would have been able to play as well as you played today, or you think you would have pulled out from the game if it wasn't the Masters Cup final?

ROGER FEDERER: No, Roger Federer doesn't pull out. Otherwise he doesn't walk on court (smiling).


After losing to Nalbandian in 2005 TMC final...
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Re: Why Nadal never won WTF/YEC ?

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because no one gives a flying fuck about chicken shit glamour events with 3 sets format played inside a dull and dark auditorium........
It was not at all dark in Shanghai during those 2 SFs...

And the chinese crowd was not at all dull.

Or maybe when rafa was winning the olympic gold the audience was from another planet ?

Q. Do you think you would have been able to play as well as you played today, or you think you would have pulled out from the game if it wasn't the Masters Cup final?

ROGER FEDERER: No, Roger Federer doesn't pull out. Otherwise he doesn't walk on court (smiling).


After losing to Nalbandian in 2005 TMC final...
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Re: Why Nadal never won WTF/YEC ?

He is tired, becouse too good clay court season, I think. But he can do it.

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Re: Why Nadal never won WTF/YEC ?

Because he can't get an easy draw like he is usually getting
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Re: Why Nadal never won WTF/YEC ?

Nadal has often had troubles with playing back to back days on hard - it's why his record is relatively poor in hc masters. For example, look at his performance vs Baghdatis in Cinci, the day after being taken to 3 by Bennytoe, or vs Murray in Canada the day after a 3 setter vs Kohl. People think of him as some sort of infinite stamina machine, but on hard that's not exactly true - his style is extremely wearing and he can look pretty sluggish. Slams he has the day off and can recover.

Also, he wasn't truly fit in 2009, and missed it totally in 2008. 2007 and earlier he was still learning on hard - lost to Ferrer in the US Open that year, for example.
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