Bagels Record Breakdown - MensTennisForums.com
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
post #1 of 16 (permalink) Old 12-27-2010, 04:39 AM Thread Starter
Registered User
 
Arakasi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 803
                     
Bagels Record Breakdown

I had some time to kill so I took inspiration from Pipsy's bagels thread and decided to breakdown Federer's bagels record. I don't know if this warrants a thread of its own so you can merge it if it doesn't. I'm only going to do Federer but I would welcome people to do any other players they like.

Federer has handed out 71 bagels in his career and lost only 4. Below are his bagels broken down by surface and tournament type.

Code:
Surface              Won             Lost

Clay                 12              3
Grass                9               1   
Hardcourts           50              0
Code:
Type of tournament           Won            Lost

Grand Slam                   38             2     
WTF                          7              0
DC                           4              0 
M1000                        13             1
MMs                          9              1
Amazingly, 54% (38 out of 71) of the bagels he has handed out in his career have been at Grand Slams .
.
Code:
Grand Slam           Won             Lost

AO                   17              0     
FO                   5               2
W                    7               0 
US                   9               0
Below is a list of players who have been bagelled by Federer more than once.

Code:
Player       # of times bagelled

Hewitt*               5
Santoro               4
Blake                 3
Nadal                 2
Del Potro             2
Roddick               2
Nalbandian            2
Haas                  2
Gaudio                2
Falla                 2
Starace               2
Hartfield             2
Federer has dished out 12 bagels in finals, 8 bagels in SFs and 8 in QFs. In grand slam play he has handed out 4 bagels in GS finals, 3 bagels in GS SFs and 5 in GS QFs. Federer has double bagelled his opponent in a match on 5 seperate occasions.

I'd be really interested if someone did something similar for Nadal. I'd also love to see Borg's bagels broken down but I suspect those stats will be a lot harder to find. Let me know if any of you spot errors in the above.

*Fun fact: the 5 bagels Lleyton has received from Federer occured in 4 matches out of the 25 they have played. Ironically, those 4 matches were consecutive matches they played in 2004. After losing to Hewitt from two sets to love in the DC semifinal in '03 and trailing 7-2 in the H2H, Federer got his revenge in the most emphatic fashion by bagelling him on hard, then on clay and finally on grass in their next 3 matches. As if that weren't enough, in their next match they were back on hard and Roger double bagelled him in the infamous US Open '04 final !
Arakasi is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 16 (permalink) Old 12-27-2010, 05:20 AM
Banned!
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 486
                     
Re: Bagels Record Breakdown

Funny thing is Federer got bageled by Vinny Spadea...lol. He was the star player at my high school back in the 90's and I met him on one of the alumni days and we talked tennis
RedHotRafa is offline  
post #3 of 16 (permalink) Old 12-27-2010, 06:00 AM
Registered User
 
abraxas21's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Age: 30
Posts: 13,032
                     
Re: Bagels Record Breakdown

spadea = GOAT

abraxas21 is offline  
post #4 of 16 (permalink) Old 12-27-2010, 08:53 AM
Registered User
 
Pipsy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Age: 29
Posts: 1,235
                     
Re: Bagels Record Breakdown

Surely the only player never to be bagelled on a hard court!
Btw, I have a thread on the Statistics forum looking at the players who have 30+ bagels at tour level but not specifically this kind of breakdown.

Good work!

I support Andy Murray!

Born to be the fourth best player in the world!


Statistics I maintain on MTF
Bagels Hall of Fame and Hall of Shame (Updated 06/12/2015)
Cumulative Weeks in Top 10 [Active Players] (Updated 20/11/2016)
Sets and Games Required To Win Each Grand Slam [Open Era]
Grand Slam Wooden Spoon Winners
Pipsy is offline  
post #5 of 16 (permalink) Old 12-27-2010, 09:03 AM
Banned!
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Sen'jin Village
Age: 32
Posts: 18,509
                     
Re: Bagels Record Breakdown

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pipsy View Post
Surely the only player never to be bagelled on a hard court!
Not a big surprise considering how good his serve is.
Topspindoctor is offline  
post #6 of 16 (permalink) Old 12-27-2010, 03:52 PM
Registered User
 
Nadull_tard's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Age: 27
Posts: 1,635
                     
Re: Bagels Record Breakdown

Quote:
Originally Posted by Topspindoctor View Post
Not a big surprise considering how good his serve is.
Still was bageled by Byron Black in Queens.

RAFAEL NADAL PARERA

Career HIGHLIGHTS

2007|David Nalbandian strikes lucky to win against Rafael Nadal 6-4 6-0
2008|Mikhail Youzhny escapes Rafael Nadal 6-1 6-0
2008|Jo-Wilfried Tsonga was pushed to the edge by Rafael Nadal 6-2 6-3 6-2
2009|Juan Martin Del Potro survives Rafael Nadal 6-2 6-2 6-2


BEST RESULTS ARE YET TO COME....
Nadull_tard is offline  
post #7 of 16 (permalink) Old 12-27-2010, 04:11 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Age: 33
Posts: 2,585
                     
Re: Bagels Record Breakdown

Three came in 1999 when Rogie was only 17/18 years old. Byron Black, Patrick Rafter, and Vince Spadea. The only other one came in the 2008 FO final to Rafa. Point is, Rogie's much harder to bagel than any other opponent because he's very good at being able to hold his serve at least once (1-6, 2-6, 3-6, etc.). The first three were in the very beginning of his career, but the one to Rafa in the 2008 FO F hurts. Still, 71-4 is incredible, the overall ratio, the few times he's been bageled, and the great number he's given out. This is another stat that speaks wonders of Rogie and cements his status at the G.O.A.T. Rogie's bageled Rafa twice, 2006 Wimbledon F and 2007 Hamburg F. Another amazing stat non-bagel related, Rogie has played in 917 singles tennis matches and he's never ever once retired in the middle of a match. On the flip side, Rafa has played in 573 singles matches and has retired 6 times.
theseth1119 is offline  
post #8 of 16 (permalink) Old 12-27-2010, 04:23 PM
Registered User
 
Nadull_tard's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Age: 27
Posts: 1,635
                     
Re: Bagels Record Breakdown

Quote:
Originally Posted by theseth1119 View Post
Three came in 1999 when Rogie was only 17/18 years old. Byron Black, Patrick Rafter, and Vince Spadea. The only other one came in the 2008 FO final to Rafa. Point is, Rogie's much harder to bagel than any other opponent because he's very good at being able to hold his serve at least once (1-6, 2-6, 3-6, etc.). The first three were in the very beginning of his career, but the one to Rafa in the 2008 FO F hurts. Still, 71-4 is incredible, the overall ratio, the few times he's been bageled, and the great number he's given out. This is another stat that speaks wonders of Rogie and cements his status at the G.O.A.T. Rogie's bageled Rafa twice, 2006 Wimbledon F and 2007 Hamburg F. Another amazing stat non-bagel related, Rogie has played in 917 singles tennis matches and he's never ever once retired in the middle of a match. On the flip side, Rafa has played in 573 singles matches and has retired 6 times.
It's more unbelievable If you consider that Roger has no desire to humiliate any of his opponents, maybe only when someone sored or provoked him in a public comment(like Roddick did). It comes really tough to bagel someone, especially on fast hard court or grass, and he has done it 59 times. I think it derives from the Roger's effortless game , he doesn't need to do anything particularly great to win a set with a 6 games margin. He leads 2-1 over Nadal in bagelling, and it's even on clay. Quite admirable.

RAFAEL NADAL PARERA

Career HIGHLIGHTS

2007|David Nalbandian strikes lucky to win against Rafael Nadal 6-4 6-0
2008|Mikhail Youzhny escapes Rafael Nadal 6-1 6-0
2008|Jo-Wilfried Tsonga was pushed to the edge by Rafael Nadal 6-2 6-3 6-2
2009|Juan Martin Del Potro survives Rafael Nadal 6-2 6-2 6-2


BEST RESULTS ARE YET TO COME....
Nadull_tard is offline  
post #9 of 16 (permalink) Old 12-27-2010, 04:29 PM
Registered User
 
oranges's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 13,564
                     
Re: Bagels Record Breakdown

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nadull_tard View Post
It's more unbelievable If you consider that Roger has no desire to humiliate any of his opponents, maybe only when someone sored or provoked him in a public comment(like Roddick did). It comes really tough to bagel someone, especially on fast hard court or grass, and he has done it 59 times. I think it derives from the Roger's effortless game , he doesn't need to do anything particularly great to win a set with a 6 games margin. He leads 2-1 over Nadal in bagelling, and it's even on clay. Quite admirable.
You must be joking. Did del Potro provoke him? That header at the net certainly seemed like he was enjoying the humiliation and was happy to add to it.
oranges is offline  
post #10 of 16 (permalink) Old 12-27-2010, 04:30 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Age: 33
Posts: 2,585
                     
Re: Bagels Record Breakdown

It is incredible that Rogie's never ever been bageled on hard courts. When I'm an old man (I'm 27 now) I'll forever remember the days of 2003-???? when Rogie was winning grand slams and being a force to be reckoned with in men's tennis. Yes, he makes it look so effortless.
theseth1119 is offline  
post #11 of 16 (permalink) Old 12-27-2010, 04:36 PM
Registered User
 
Nadull_tard's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Age: 27
Posts: 1,635
                     
Re: Bagels Record Breakdown

Quote:
Originally Posted by oranges View Post
You must be joking. Did del Potro provoke him? That header at the net certainly seemed like he was enjoying the humiliation and was happy to add to it.
Don't no, I didn't watch this match, so I can't tell. I base my knowledge of this match only on hl, and I haven't noticed any symptoms of sick satisfaction in Federer's behavior.

RAFAEL NADAL PARERA

Career HIGHLIGHTS

2007|David Nalbandian strikes lucky to win against Rafael Nadal 6-4 6-0
2008|Mikhail Youzhny escapes Rafael Nadal 6-1 6-0
2008|Jo-Wilfried Tsonga was pushed to the edge by Rafael Nadal 6-2 6-3 6-2
2009|Juan Martin Del Potro survives Rafael Nadal 6-2 6-2 6-2


BEST RESULTS ARE YET TO COME....
Nadull_tard is offline  
post #12 of 16 (permalink) Old 12-27-2010, 04:46 PM Thread Starter
Registered User
 
Arakasi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 803
                     
Re: Bagels Record Breakdown

Quote:
Originally Posted by Topspindoctor View Post
Not a big surprise considering how good his serve is.
These stats cover 1998-2010. Federer's serve was nothing special for a large part of that period. Either way, I'm sure many other all-time great servers have been bagelled on hardcourts so it is still a great achievement.
Arakasi is offline  
post #13 of 16 (permalink) Old 12-27-2010, 04:59 PM Thread Starter
Registered User
 
Arakasi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 803
                     
Re: Bagels Record Breakdown

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nadull_tard View Post
It's more unbelievable If you consider that Roger has no desire to humiliate any of his opponents, maybe only when someone sored or provoked him in a public comment(like Roddick did). It comes really tough to bagel someone, especially on fast hard court or grass, and he has done it 59 times.
I disagree. In his peak many of Federer's bagels took place in statement matches. Matches in where he was emphasising his dominance over the tour. The Hewitt thing I mentioned is the perfect example of this. Federer would raise his level when he saw Lleyton across the net because he was out to prove a point. I mean handing out 5 bagles in 4 consecutive matches to a guy you trail 7-2 in the H2H to is astounding.

Similar story with Roddick. After all the "gap is closing" rubbish at the end of 2006 Federer came out and annihilated him in their next meeting at the AO SF. He loved doing that sort of thing during his prime. Showing everyone who is boss. The bigger the match the better. Even against Nadal, in the Wimby '06 final after suffering so many losses in a row he came out and bagelled him in the first set. I'd wager he's handed out more bagels in big matches than anyone ever.

As he has aged and declined however he has largely lost the ability to do this. Nowadays most of his bagels come about because he just happens to play really well. He can no longer summon the level he used to at will. Still, after so many years and so many wins he still takes Hewitt and Roddick suprisingly seriously. I guess he has a long memory.
Arakasi is offline  
post #14 of 16 (permalink) Old 12-27-2010, 05:33 PM
Registered User
 
Chiseller's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 2,713
                     
Re: Bagels Record Breakdown

Pretty much what Arakasi said. After all, who doesn't like to obliterate his closed rivals? You can attribute that humbalito crap to Nadal
And obviously, nowadays, the stars have to be aligned perfectly for Federer to deal out bagels.
Chiseller is offline  
post #15 of 16 (permalink) Old 12-27-2010, 06:15 PM
Registered User
 
Nadull_tard's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Age: 27
Posts: 1,635
                     
Re: Bagels Record Breakdown

It's all true, perhaps I misjudged his on-court attitude for this misleading lack of commitment. What I mean is when you look at Nadal , running and fighting in every single point like he was saving his own life, it seems pretty weird confronting it with Federer's attitude at prime time, who was acting like a guy who doesn't give a shit about what's going on. I'm just saying that I haven't noticed this will to win, so emphasized in Nadal's game.

RAFAEL NADAL PARERA

Career HIGHLIGHTS

2007|David Nalbandian strikes lucky to win against Rafael Nadal 6-4 6-0
2008|Mikhail Youzhny escapes Rafael Nadal 6-1 6-0
2008|Jo-Wilfried Tsonga was pushed to the edge by Rafael Nadal 6-2 6-3 6-2
2009|Juan Martin Del Potro survives Rafael Nadal 6-2 6-2 6-2


BEST RESULTS ARE YET TO COME....
Nadull_tard is offline  
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the MensTennisForums.com forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in









Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.



Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page



Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome