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Yes - It will kill of any avenue for debate on the subject of Federer's 'weak era' Major titles. 33 19.53%
No - The 'weak era' happened, records cant be changed. 30 17.75%
There is no such thing as a 'weak era.' 106 62.72%
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If Federer wins a major in his 30's, will it silence the 'weak era' debate...?

With winning majors in his 30's Agassi proved himself a great while spanning a few eras in his career. It defintely added value to how he is remembered. And he was up against Sampras for most of it too, so there's been no real argument to speak of in terms of a 'weak era' debate. Sampras, in kind has been pretty much overlooked in a 'weak era' debate... maybe in part to him having a Major haul of 14 that spanned a whopping 13 seasons...!

Federer on the other hand, having first won a major in 2003 and being very prolific in a short period thereafter, has been a victim of the 'weak era' debate recently.

So, i'll pose the question.

Will a Major trophy in his 30's against the largely youthful and closest opposition (Nadal, Djokovic, del Potro, Murray etc) forever silence the weak era debate...? Would it further enhance his legacy beyond reproach...?

Or is silencing this debate a real non-event as 16 is just too many as it stands...?

In my opinion, in holding off the younger brigade at an advancing age for a tennis player to win one or two more majors in his 30's, Federer will kill off any possible speculation from the 'weak era' prespective... which is perhaps the last remaining avenue to find fault (however slight) with his career... Should he win at 30+, Federer is gonna score countless more fans due to sentimentality and i personally cant wait to his attempts...
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Re: If Federer wins a major in his 30's, will it silence the 'weak era' debate...?

oh come on...
Djokovic kicks Wilander's ass.
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oh come on...
Djokovic kicks Wilander's ass.
No more to say.
Djokovic>Wilander? LOL! Wilander is a douche but he was far greater than Novak. 7 grand slams, including having a season in which he won 3/4 slams.
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Re: If Federer wins a major in his 30's, will it silence the 'weak era' debate...?

Olderer will be lucky to win Estoril and Halle in his 30's.
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oh come on...
Djokovic kicks Wilander's ass.
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No then he will have won a major in his 30s in a weak era.
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It can be argued either way. But good points, never really thought about it like that.

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No then he will have won a major in his 30s in a weak era.
good point... agassi being GS relevant in 2005 also screams 'weak era' to some...
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good point... agassi being GS relevant in 2005 also screams 'weak era' to some...
It sure does. If it wasn't for Fed stopping Andre, he would have gotten a few slams WITH a bad back and at 34-34 years of age. That screams, "weak"
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good point... agassi being GS relevant in 2005 also screams 'weak era' to some...
If it is 1 player & that player being an all-time great it doesn't change the senario that much.
Rosewall won the AO @ 37 years
Laver won the GS @ 30/31 years.
Connors won last slam USO @ 31 years played a high level till 34/35 years in 1987..(NO GS post 31)
Agassi won last slam @ AO 03 @ 32 years. High level 34 /35. 2005(No GS past 32 only 1 final since)
Both connors & agaasi had interuption/played @ a low level during their PRIME years.
In fact connors was better because he was overshadowed by borg/Mc enroe.
Agassi just didn't go deep in slams ,very inconsistent from 93-98.

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If it is 1 player & that player being an all-time great it doesn't change the senario that much.
for the most part i agree with that... there are factors that will separate some... on the flipside of the argument is that having agassi around actually validates federer's legacy thru the alleged 'weak era' period...

rosewall's 4–6 6–0 6–3 6–7 7–6 '72 WCT Final win over laver would probably best depict that greatness at 37... AO was a poorish one that year i think so i'd probly throw the WCT in as a 4th Major...

Rosewall's '72 is the benchmark of longevity and still had a couple of Major finals left in him at 39...
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for the most part i agree with that... there are factors that will separate some... on the flipside of the argument is that having agassi around actually validates federer's legacy thru the alleged 'weak era' period...

rosewall's 4–6 6–0 6–3 6–7 7–6 '72 WCT Final win over laver would probably best depict that greatness at 37... AO was a poorish one that year i think so i'd probly throw the WCT in as a 4th Major...

Rosewall's '72 is the benchmark of longevity and still had a couple of Major finals left in him at 39...
You have to understand its not about years but also milage when speaking off al-time greats.
If there were a few old men going deep & winning slams then one can make that arguement if they wanted. However not 1.
You have to remember that from 93-98 in 6 years agassi won only two slams & past the QF of a slam only 6 times. that 1 post QF per year on average. Common that a joke
Agassi had plenty left in the tank ,especially with the help of Gil reyes.

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You have to understand its not about years but also milage when speaking off al-time greats.
If there were a few old men going deep & winning slams then one can make that arguement if they wanted. However not 1.
You have to remember that from 93-98 in 6 years agassi won only two slams & past the QF of a slam only 6 times. that 1 post QF per year on average. Common that a joke
Agassi had plenty left in the tank ,especially with the help of Gil reyes.
i must admit, i've often thought of it as a great advert for a mid career break...

but, in reality, there are only a handful talented enough to be able to pull a return to the fray like that off...
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Don't be silly. The better Roger plays and the more he wins, the weaker the era gets, regardless of his age.

By the time he's 50 and he wins another US open, the era will be so weak croquet will have become a more entertaining and competitive sport.

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If only Fed lost more matches in his prime, then there wouldn't be this "weak era" argument
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