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Poll: Does Murray just lack the killer instinct?

I think the real reason Murray has been unable to bag a slam is that he lacks the killer instinct inherant in other players, and almost always in multiple slam winners, Federer, Nadal and so on.

It is inherant in being a pusher or a defensive player that you would rather keep the ball in play and wait for your oponent to choke the point on a BP or a big moment. But I think, watching the 10 AO final against Federer in the 3rd set, when it was there for the taking, Murray lacked the balls to go for the win. Where your Federer or Nadal makes things happen, Murray seems unable to hit those big points in Slams when he needs to.

It's almost as if he plays not to lose, rather than plays to win.

In 07 AO, before the big wrist injury, although he lacked the stamina to back it up, Murray played hot, attacking tennis. He could blast players off the court for sets at a time. Then he switched to this fitness based game.

You simply cant beat the big players, or even hot players on the day, by controlling the point and waiting for them to choke. You just cant win slams that way. When will Murray learn?

I think Murray has to just go for it at the 2011 AO. If your afraid to lose, you can never learn to play to win. Thats why pushers pretty much never win slams (nadal is a retreiver but he has the big forehand to kill big points when he needs to).

Discuss. He said after losing to Wawa that its just one loss and hes not going to panick and change anything. But thats his problem, he needs to change! 2 or 3 slams now have been ripe for the picking for him, and hes blown them because he is playing all wrong. The way he played against Fed in the recent final is a good start, but the holes were still there, and Fed will capitilise on them in a GS final. It also seems the fortunes and rub of the green dont favour the pushers in slams either.

They say fortune favours the brave. I believe this to be true of attacking tennis players. Just look at Birdytch making a slam final. I think that tells all one needs to know.

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Re: Poll: Does Murray just lack the killer instinct?

He has killer instinct. The fact he is stubborn is his issue. As you said in your post, he doesn't have the game to win majors. The fact is, he's vulnerable against any well player offensive player who has the power and tactical ability to wipe him off the court, and playing the way he does is mentally and physically demanding, and hard to keep up for an extended period. He's not ever going to be a big hitter, though, or the type who controls points by dictating with heavy hard shots, so he just has to do a better job of not getting stuck in ruts of playing negatively. Play his game but also step it up when the opportunities are there and the situations call for it.
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Re: Poll: Does Murray just lack the killer instinct?

he is much better than djokovic and probably the best hard court player in the world when he's playing hot

(and it really pains me to say it, because im not a fan)

he doesnt need to change anything, he needs the stupid press to back off and he needs some new british hope to come in to relieve all his pressure

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Re: Poll: Does Murray just lack the killer instinct?

No. He just plays the wrong players at the wrong time.
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probably the best hard court player in the world when he's playing hot
No, that's actually Federer.
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Re: Poll: Does Murray just lack the killer instinct?

Just because he is a good defensive player doesn't mean that he lacks killer instinct. I saw killer instict against Nadal at the Australian Open earlier in the year. It's just that everything hasn't all fallen squarely in place for Murray at a Grand Slam tournament. He's good enough to beat anybody (even Fedal) but he can also beat himself up against much lower ranked opponents, which is often his undoing.

Whatever it is, he needs to translate his success in the Masters Series to the best of 5 format. I don't think it's an endurance issue either, as he is one of the fittest players on tour. Murray would probably have at least a couple of slams by now if Fedal were not around but as it is, his 100% losing record in Grand Slam finals isn't going to help if he reaches the final stage again.
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Re: Poll: Does Murray just lack the killer instinct?

To become #3 in the world in anything, let alone one of the most popular sports means you have the killer instinct. It's just the talent gap between Nadal/Federer and everyone else is huge. He might get a slam or two as Fed keeps slowing down.
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Re: Poll: Does Murray just lack the killer instinct?

The difference between the top 2 and everyone else isn't talent. Its consistency and their mental game.

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Re: Poll: Does Murray just lack the killer instinct?

highlander`s misfortune:

1. he has 2 all time greats ahead of him. that is not easily overcome if ever. murray needs a break. he needs somebody to finish off clay warrior and fed early in a slam. easier said than done. fed will hang around long enough to gun down murray and nadal--going forward-- will hang around long enough to work over fed if he gets his hands on him.

and finally, its is near impossible to beat nadal in a final of slam.

2. he lacks the killer forehand

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Re: Poll: Does Murray just lack the killer instinct?

His problem: he's played Federer in his two finals who brought his A game.

Federer's A game >> any other player ever playing as well as they can. Doesn't matter who. Fed brings it all to the table, he wins, simple as that.

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Re: Poll: Does Murray just lack the killer instinct?

Crap, I voted 'yes' but I meant 'nope' lol

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Re: Poll: Does Murray just lack the killer instinct?

Mugray isn't as talented as people make him out to be. His second serve sucks, his forehand is awful and he is a pusher. I hope he never wins a slam, it would be as bad as Pushniacki winning a slam on women's side.
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Mugray isn't as talented as people make him out to be. His second serve sucks, his forehand is awful and he is a pusher. I hope he never wins a slam, it would be as bad as Pushniacki winning a slam on women's side.
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Mugray isn't as talented as people make him out to be. His second serve sucks, his forehand is awful and he is a pusher. I hope he never wins a slam, it would be as bad as Pushniacki winning a slam on women's side.
I'm not a fan of Murray's game but he can't be as bad as you think since he has played in 2 slam finals and is capable of beating anyone.

Wait a minute did I just respond seriously to a Topspindoctor post?

What I meant to say is Murray is future GOAT because he knows how to overcome current GOAT's top spin. Armed with that knowledge nothing can stop Murray from overthrowing GOAT Nadull.



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Re: Poll: Does Murray just lack the killer instinct?

Murray does not use anger very well (Djokovic and Hewitt are good at this) and it hurts him instead

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