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is rafa already a better hardcourt player than roger's a claycourt player?

roger's claycourt record:

12 claycourt masters finals..

5 claycourt masters titles at only 2 venues:

'02 hamburg
'04 hamburg
'05 hamburg
'07 hamburg
'09 madrid open

4 r garros finals

'06-'09

1 r garros title:

'09, where he faced someone who had never previously even reached a slam final: soderling



rafa's hardcourt record:

9 hardcourt masters finals

5 hardcourt masters titles at 4 venues:

'05 montreal
'05 madrid
'07 iw
'08 toronto
'09 iw

2 hardcourt slam finals = 2 hardcourt slam titles:

'09 aussie open
'10 us open

in each of which rafa faced former slam champions: roger and novak, respectively

both guys are tied at 5 masters titles on each respective surface, but only rafa has won more than one slam title on his least favorite surface..

however, considering that roger's 0:4 against rafa at r garros and 2:10 on clay as well as 0:1 against rafa at hardcourt majors and merely 3:3 on hard courts, rafa would seem to have the overall edge as the better hardcourter vis a vis roger as a claycourter..

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Re: is rafa already a better hardcourt player than roger's a claycourt player?

well, it's a tough call. probably the same.

but rafa on grass > roger in clay or rafa in hard.

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Re: is rafa already a better hardcourt player than roger's a claycourt player?

No. Nadal is the only one who could stop Federer on clay for quite a while. Nadal has been vulnerable to multiple people on hardcourts. That may change moving forward though.
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Re: is rafa already a better hardcourt player than roger's a claycourt player?

Now, i don't think so. If Rafa wasn't there, Federer would have 4 RG, and a more Hamburg, Monte Carlo, Roma or Madrid. If Roger wasn't there, Rafa would have 2 more Wimbledon but no more HC Grand Slams.

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Re: is rafa already a better hardcourt player than roger's a claycourt player?

No.

Roger would have won RG many many times if Rafa was no there. Nadal hasn't made the finals of the hard-court grandslams too often.

Second point: THERE ARE MORE HARDCOURT TOURNEYS THAN CLAY.So the statistics are already biased in favour of hardcourt. So yeah, of course Nadal will win more Clay-Hard court tournaments.

Roger is an immensely good clay-courter, given how poor he was on the surface early in his career. Give the guy some credit, he is, even today, probably the 2nd best clay-courters in the field.
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Re: is rafa already a better hardcourt player than roger's a claycourt player?

Not even close.

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Re: is rafa already a better hardcourt player than roger's a claycourt player?

federer overachieved on clay.
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Re: is rafa already a better hardcourt player than roger's a claycourt player?

Hard to say as there are more hard-court tournaments. Plus of course given the OP, this is an obvious trolling thread. I'm sure we shall expose him soon as a duplicate account.

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Re: is rafa already a better hardcourt player than roger's a claycourt player?

Roger was the 2nd best clay courter in the world in 2005-08 and the best in -09, while Rafa was possibly the best HC'er in 2009 (and that's being very generous) and so far the second best this year.
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Roger was the 2nd best clay courter in the world in 2005-08 and the best in -09, while Rafa was possibly the best HC'er in 2009 (and that's being very generous) and so far the second best this year.
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What? He won RG and a TMS, defeated Nadal and collected more clay points than anyone. It's pretty darn clear actually.
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Re: is rafa already a better hardcourt player than roger's a claycourt player?

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What? He won RG and a TMS, defeated Nadal and collected more clay points than anyone. It's pretty darn clear actually.
Hello?? You do realize the claycourt season does not begin and end with Madrid and RG. Nadal and Djokovic were far and away the best till RG, and paid for it with early exits, making Roger's life easier.

Rafa was NOT the best hardcourter in 2009. Yes, he won the AO and Indian Wells, but had a horrible post-summer season. But then it is hard to say who really dominated. del Potro only hit full steam after the summer.
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