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Maybe Pete just didn't try hard enough

Pete had several years to try and win the French Open. The best he could do was a SF in 1996. Most years, he was eliminated either in the 1st or 2nd round.

When Rafa won the French in 2005, nobody thought that he could win the career slam. But he tweaked his game a bit to win in every surface. He reached the Wimbledon finals 4 times, and won it twice. He won the hard court slams upon reaching his first final in both.

Upon seeing Roger and Rafa complete the Career Slam, it seems that Pete's legacy has been greatly diminished, especially that Roger has taken over the most Slam wins record. Maybe Pete is now thinking that he should have tried a little harder to win the French.

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He wasn't good enough to win 7 tough matches on clay. He lacked the endurance with the particular condition he had didn't help with that.

Couldn't get the balance right of when to attack and when to defend. Had difficulties moving especially on the running forehand, he ran into the plants.

Yes, he played some fine matches on clay, but his backhand couldn't hold up consistently.

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
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Sampras wasn't good enough to win RG and he would have never won it, no matter how hard he tried, he was a one dimensional serve and volleyer and that nonsense doesn't work on clay You actually need to have a good baseline game to succeed in Paris. Once his serve was blunted, it was embarrassing and funny to watch him struggle.
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Once his inspiration run in 1996 ended by being beaten by the better clay court player. I think Sampras did lose a little motivation to play there. I read his book and after 1996 he would describe the clay season as "a write off" or maybe mention a sentence of who he lost too. Some years he never he mentioned it at all. Instead of trying to complete the career slam, he seemed to give up on the French title. Never made it past round 2 after 1996

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+1 @ topspindoctor.
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Sampras wasn't good enough to win RG and he would have never won it, no matter how hard he tried, he was a one dimensional serve and volleyer and that nonsense doesn't work on clay You actually need to have a good baseline game to succeed in Paris. Once his serve was blunted, it was embarrassing and funny to watch him struggle.
How can someone 1-dimensional win 14 slams (including 7 on a hardcourt)?

His game wasn’t the least bit 1-dimensional, it was all-round serving, volleying and varied groundstrokes. IMO Sampras had a very effective and above-average baseline game. He could rally with the best of them and hit winners from any angle. He could more than hold his own from the baseline. Though in the last few years of his career his game did revolve almost completely around s/v, but he was still dangerous from the baseline. Remember all those impressive groundstroke winners versus Agassi?

He didn't win the FO because his counterpunching skills were not up to the level required to win the FO, and his backhand was vulnerable, especially on clay (prone to making UEs).

Just because he didn't win the FO, doesn't mean he didn't have a baseline game. What bizzare logic.

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Probably the best running FH in history, but Rafatards bashing Sampras for lack of baseline game
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Not on clay it wasn't, he couldn't stop properly. Come on don't be too hard on these people show some kindness.

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


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How can someone 1-dimensional win 14 slams (including 7 on a hardcourt)?

His game wasn’t the least bit 1-dimensional, it was all-round serving, volleying and varied groundstrokes. IMO Sampras had a very effective and above-average baseline game. He could rally with the best of them, hit winners from any angle and chip and charge, etc. Though in the last few years of his career his game did revolve almost completely around s/v, but he was still dangerous from the baseline. Remember all those impressive groundstroke winners versus Agassi?

He didn't win the FO because his counterpunching skills were not up to the level required to win the FO, and his backhand was vulnerable, especially on clay (prone to making UEs).

Just because he didn't win the FO, doesn't mean he didn't have a baseline game. What bizzare logic.

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Sampras' game was one dimensional. He would attempt to play S/V even after second serve. His baseline game was merely "ok" during peak and pathetic during later stages of his career. His backhand was diabolically bad. Thing is, his serve was so dominant, he would often get one break and then blatantly tank the rest of his opponents service games, and just hold his own serve to win the set. That is very boring to me.

Sampras wasn't good on clay because of the fact he couldn't rely on S/V. Take Federer, for example. He isn't a counterpuncher by any means. He was still very good on clay, despite the fact he couldn't rely on his great serve to get him out of trouble. When you took Sampras' serve out of equation, he was atrociously bad. He couldn't rally at all.
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Nadal is a better baseliner than Sampras could ever dream to be Take away his serve and he would be a clown
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Not on clay it wasn't, he couldn't stop properly. Come on don't be too hard on these people show some kindness.
How can you not ROTFL at the claim Sampras has no baseline game and is a one-dimensional clown? Imposssible even with the best of will.

He was not a natural mover on clay, as is the case with most of his compatriots. Plus, his baseline game is not geared towards clay, but to claim it's non-existent is a curious combination of hilarious and extremely sad.
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Nadal is a better baseliner than Sampras could ever dream to be Take away his serve and he would be a clown
See what I mean. Impossible not to ridicule
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I have no love lost for Sampras, but calling him a one-dimensional clown is disgraceful. The man was one of the greatest tennis players of all time.
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Probably the best running FH in history, but Rafatards bashing Sampras for lack of baseline game
sampras made a lot of winners with that runnig forehand, so yeah, it was great. The problem was that clay court tennis is not about hitting winners, and when Sampras couldn´t do that, he had toruble getting back to position and left the court wide open for his opponent.
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He wasn't good enough to win 7 tough matches on clay. He lacked the endurance with the particular condition he had didn't help with that.

Couldn't get the balance right of when to attack and when to defend. Had difficulties moving especially on the running forehand, he ran into the plants.

Yes, he played some fine matches on clay, but his backhand couldn't hold up consistently.
People said the same thing to Rafa after winning the 2005 French. He wasn't good enough to win Wimbledon, or win the US Open. But he was able to change his game and win the Career Slams.

Of course, it was easier for Roger to win all 4 because of his all-around game. It was tougher for Rafa (being primarily a clay courter), and also tough for Pete before. Difference was Rafa probably exerted more effort.

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