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what if knee tendinitis had not derailed rafa last summer?

he would've likely completed not just his golden career slam at last year's uso, but he'd have won the even rarer calendar grand slam in '09.. and he might have even won another calendar grand slam this year as well, for a tally of 13 majors..

you cannot underestimate how disastrous that bout of tendinitis and its aftershocks last spring-summer and well into the fall and the early part of '10 were in delaying the onset of rafa's all surface peak..

it is simply staggering to contemplate that, at the age of 24, rafa could've won not one but two calendar grand slams..

seems fitting though.. rafa stopped roger from 2 consecutive calendar grand slams in '06 and '07.. and tendinitis may have stopped rafa from the same consecutive calendar feat in '09 and '10..

that's the amazing talent rafa embodies.. as it stands, at the start of his all-surface peak (first time he's reached all slam finals), he already has 9 majors under his belt..

just as a comparative reference, consider the fact that, at the same time in his career (first time he reached all slam finals), roger had only won 7 majors.. which means roger won the bulk of his majors (9, to be exact) after he'd reached his all-surface peak at the '06 french open..

this of course would suggest, given rafa's chronological edge over roger at the same age, that rafa could potentially win another 10-12 majors after 2010..

scary proposition indeed and i suspect roger's tally of 16 slams will not remain unchallenged as long as pete's did, for rafa doesn't even have to win 10-12 more majors to do that.. all he needs is 8 more to surpass him..

roger of course could win one more major perhaps but even that would be highly unlikely at his current rate.. and even with a tally of 17, it still would not be outside rafa's reach..

can rafa pull it off?

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Re: what if knee tendinitis had not derailed rafa last summer?

My main beef with 2009 was RG, 'cause I prefer it over any other slam. In my opinion Rafa really robbed himself of RG2009 with poor scheduling, playing all those HC tournaments, playing ALL clay events etc. So while it's hard to say whether he would win W2009 or USO2009, RG was practically a lock for him and he really let it go through his fingers. He'd have 10 slams now - and that's a conservative estimate...
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Re: what if knee tendinitis had not derailed rafa last summer?

I was just thinking about this today "what if Rafa hadn't had the knee issues last year.." The thing is though, what happened happen. We will never know. He might have won more titles, he might have not won any at all. I think today is just a day we should cherish and celebrate his wonderful win in USO yesterday and his career grand slam. We shouldn't think about what could have been..

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Re: what if knee tendinitis had not derailed rafa last summer?

It's too much to wonder if Rafa would be on a calendar or grand slam run without the knee issues. But I agree with topspinmd that RG '09 would likely have been his if his schedule had been sensible (as it is now). And Federer, himself, would have remained without that clay slam.

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Re: what if knee tendinitis had not derailed rafa last summer?

We'll never know. You know it probably turned out to be a blessing in disguise for him. He practiced harder and came back stronger/hungrier. His hard work really paid off this year.

No excuses though for RG+Wimby, Federer deserved it as much.
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Re: what if knee tendinitis had not derailed rafa last summer?

Stop gloating.

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Re: what if knee tendinitis had not derailed rafa last summer?

OP, you're going a little overboard with your what-if scenario. He couldn't have won CYGS in 2009. Look at how he was outplayed by Delpo in USO - there's no way he could've beaten Delpo in 2009 with the way he was playing on hard courts.

My answer to your what-if is that he would have won RG - and that's huge because then Fed wouldn't have completed career GS.

Everyone seems to think that he is a lock for Wimby every year but that's just not true.
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What if your mother was born a male.
Always surprises me that you're a mod. Isn't it your "job" to promote discussion? I guess not.
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Always surprises me that you're a mod. Isn't it your "job" to promote discussion? I guess not.
Firstly, no, that is not a moderator's job. Secondly, this thread is pointless and anticaria is only trying to initiate a discussion that's already going on in at least 10 threads in GM right now.


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Always surprises me that you're a mod. Isn't it your "job" to promote discussion? I guess not.
I am not a mod here on GM, if I was then stuff like this wouldn't see the light of day.

Second of all it's a nonsense thread and orka highlighted why. It's just an excuse to gloat about Nadal, when there is no need for it.

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


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Secondly, this thread is pointless and anticaria is only trying to initiate a discussion that's already going on in at least 10 threads in GM right now.
.. which is true for most threads on MTF. People come here for redundant discussions. Why? Because they're nuts about tennis. There aren't a whole lot of "new" things to discuss about a 3 hour tennis match.
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.. which is true for most threads on MTF. People come here for redundant discussions. Why? Because they're nuts about tennis. There aren't a whole lot of "new" things to discuss about a 3 hour tennis match.
You do realize that you're not making any sense? Firstly, NO, normally there aren't 15 threads in GM about the same subject, as there is right now.
Secondly, actually, every tennis match is unique. Like in every other sport. That's why we find it entertaining.
Thirdly, no, most Rafatards are not nuts about tennis. They're only nuts about Nadal. I doubt they even watch matches when the top 5 are not playing.


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Re: what if knee tendinitis had not derailed rafa last summer?

What if Federer did not get Mono? what if Federer did not have back issues? Would he be at 20 slams?
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You do realize that you're not making any sense? Firstly, NO, normally there aren't 15 threads in GM about the same subject, as there is right now.
They have always been there. You didn't notice the redundancy before (say, 2009) because they were about your favorite guy.
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Re: what if knee tendinitis had not derailed rafa last summer?

Roger still has mono, that is the problem.

What if ? Nadal would probably be at 10 majors but would he have won the US Open? Federer would have been at 14, he should thank his lucky stars.
Though with Federer it doesn't look like he cares much...didn't care about breaking the Wimbledon record, didn't care about getting the record for most weeks at number one, what else is there to care?

He won't care about Nadal breaking his records, all he cares about is his millions and his sponsors...it's obvious.

He's more worried about fading out completely and losing the sponsors, though they still seem to be behind him...for now.
That's the only reason he's trying, everything else he feels he has accomplished.

His later years are no short of embarassment.
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