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When a semi-final was like a final.

Nadal's and Djokovic's upcoming match reminds me of the time when they played in the Olympics. They played in the semi-finals with Nadal winning 6-4 1-6 6-4. The other semi-final was Gonzalez (12) and Blake (8). Virtually everyone expected the winning of the Nadal(1)-Djokovic(3) match to take the gold and the loser to take the bronze and that's exactly what happened (in straight sets).

This leads me to claim that the real final was the Nadal-Djokovic semi-final, as the two best players in the event (in most people's opinion) were in this match. Do you agree with this? What other occasions do you think there were by far the best two players in one semi-final (or even quarter-final or earlier)? I can think of two other examples, the 2005 Australian Open and 2005 Roland Garros.

In the 2005 Australian Open one semi-final was Safin-Federer and the other was Roddick-Hewitt. I believe that Safin would've won against Roddick and Federer (had he made the final) would've beaten both Hewitt and Roddick. The 2005 Roland Garros semi-finals were Federer-Nadal and Puerta-Davydenko. Again I think that Nadal would've beaten Davydenko as well and Federer would've beaten both other semi-finalists.
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Re: When a semi-final was like a final.

You are so right. This semi final being in fact a final and played like one happens on a regular basis.

I think it has to do with the DRAW being fixed in the big events. I know everything is supposed to be fair and square but I really doubt that.
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You are so right. This semi final being in fact a final and played like
one happens on a regular basis.

I think it has to do with the DRAW being fixed in the big events. I know everything is supposed to be fair and square but I really doubt that.
It's true though.. The semi finals/quarter finals are usually more fun to watch than the finals. Well, at least that's how it's been for the last few years. I really hope today is the exception

BTW, you are allowed to call the tournaments draws fixed or whatever. Truth be told, they have rules they have to follow. If anyone is to blame here it's obviously the ATP who needs to change the rules, don't you agree?

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Nadal's and Djokovic's upcoming match reminds me of the time when they played in the Olympics. They played in the semi-finals with Nadal winning 6-4 1-6 6-4. The other semi-final was Gonzalez (12) and Blake (8). Virtually everyone expected the winning of the Nadal(1)-Djokovic(3) match to take the gold and the loser to take the bronze and that's exactly what happened (in straight sets).

This leads me to claim that the real final was the Nadal-Djokovic semi-final, as the two best players in the event (in most people's opinion) were in this match. Do you agree with this? What other occasions do you think there were by far the best two players in one semi-final (or even quarter-final or earlier)? I can think of two other examples, the 2005 Australian Open and 2005 Roland Garros.

In the 2005 Australian Open one semi-final was Safin-Federer and the other was Roddick-Hewitt. I believe that Safin would've won against Roddick and Federer (had he made the final) would've beaten both Hewitt and Roddick. The 2005 Roland Garros semi-finals were Federer-Nadal and Puerta-Davydenko. Again I think that Nadal would've beaten Davydenko as well and Federer would've beaten both other semi-finalists.
the 2009 semi final of roland garros. soderling vs gonzalez....man that was an epic...last set-sod down 4-1 and wins 6-4!
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Re: When a semi-final was like a final.

This is only going to get worse, the top is very competitive.

Roger, Djoker, Nadal, Murray, Soderling can all beat one another. The problem is there is always going to be somebody in the semi-final or even Quarter-final who can cause problem. We might see ALOT more Nadal-Federer semi-finals now. with the #1 and #3
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Re: When a semi-final was like a final.

Madrid 2009 SF Rafa-Nole was the real final.
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Re: When a semi-final was like a final.

AO 2009

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AO 2009

Verdasco-Nadal
Bullshit. The AO final was very tight and aside from the Federer serving tank either play could have won.
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Nadal not one of the best two?

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AO 2009

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Re: When a semi-final was like a final.

I don't think a lot of people are understanding this thread. Whoops.

Anyway, OP, is it important that the fact that it was "the defacto final" was known at the time? Because, in that case, I'm not sure that Federer/Safin really was that match, only because I don't know if everyone would have assigned to Safin, upon beating Federer, the definite notion that he would beat Hewitt or Roddick, at least at that time. Especially when Hewitt was so steadily doing excellently against pretty much everyone but Federer.
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Re: When a semi-final was like a final.

well verdasco wouldn't have beaten federer, but he played a better match against nadal imo.

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Re: When a semi-final was like a final.

Andre Agassi's GS semi"finals"

1988 FO
1990 USO should've been with teen Pete
1992 FO Courier
1994 USO Todd Martin
1996 AO should've been with old Becker and as defending champ
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2000 AO the best semi"final" of his career
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2002 USO should've been with old Pete
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2002 USO should've been with old Pete
Oh yes. Instead, he was having a stupid Saturday 3-hour date with then number one Hewitt.

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Re: When a semi-final was like a final.

USO 2010. Djokovic-Federer was the real final.

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