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who has the most to prove in tomorrow's final?

rafa or nole?

let's see:

*rafa leads nole 14:7..

*rafa also leads nole 4:0 at the majors, which means 4:0 in best-of-five matches..

*nole has never even pushed rafa to a 4th set..

*rafa's beaten nole in their biggest hc final to date: '08 olympics

*3 of rafa's hc losses to nole came during the spaniard's slump last summer-fall, a time when he was still struggling with lack-of-confidence and lack-of-match-toughness issues..

*rafa has won multiple majors over the greatest player of his generation (rogi) on all 3 slam surfaces: clay, grass and hc..

*rafa'll be trying to complete his career slam tomorrow by asserting his all-surface dominance over the atp and winning his 9th major..



*nole leads rafa 7:3 on hc..

*nole will be trying to win only the 2nd major of his career by proving he's no one-slam-wonder, after coming up short against both rafa and roger at the majors so many times in the past..

*as if that were not enough, nole will be trying to prove he can actually beat rafa at the majors..



looks like both guys have something to prove tomorrow, but seeing as how rafa's already won majors on all surfaces, completing the career grand slam may be a mere technicality for him.. which means that the one with the most to prove may be nole.. i.e., rafa's already beaten roger at all other majors and on all slam surfaces so that winning the uso may turn out to be a tad anticlimactic for the multiple-slam champion..

nole, however, has yet to prove he can win multiple slams.. and this may be the biggest hurdle of them all for him..


bottomline: nole's never even won multiple slams and he's never beaten rafa at the majors.. so despite his 7:3 edge over rafa on hc, nole still has the most to prove tomorrow.. and while rafa has the rest of his career to merely complete a career slam, nole's running out of time in his no doubt frantic quest to prove he's not a one-slam wonder..

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Re: who has the most to prove in tomorrow's final?

Although, Rafa and Chokvic have only ever meet at the FO 3x and W 1x, never on hard courts until now (never even meet in the AO)and I think Chokovic has enough of an edge to beat Rafa here.
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Re: who has the most to prove in tomorrow's final?

Obviously Rafa?! And will this fucker above stop calling Novak like that, as you could see he didnt choke against your beloved "Rogie"...

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Re: who has the most to prove in tomorrow's final?

I was just about to say that

really, Federer is twice the choker Djokovic is, no idea how the idea of Djoker as a huge choker started

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Re: who has the most to prove in tomorrow's final?

Rafa for sure, he is playing for history tomorrow.

- Becoming the 7th man to win all four majors
- Becoming the 2nd man after Agassi to win the career Golden Slam
- Winning 3 majors in one year (last man to do that was Roger in 2004,2006,2007)
- Winning at least 2 majors on HC, grass and clay

The magnitude of the amount of pressure placed on Rafa's shoulders will be something he has never experienced, this will be undoubtedly one of the biggest moments of his career, and besides, the bookies have Rafa as the favourite which makes sense as he will be very well rested, he has not dropped a set all tournament, has an improved serve and has an 8-2 W/L record in major finals.

Nole, he has nothing to lose, if he can just go out onto the court with a positive mindset and plays Rafa the way he has played him on HC as in the past, he will be a very tough opponent, his game matches up well with Rafa. Also, now with the final being played on Monday, he will be better rested. Nole will definitely be relishing this chance to add a second major onto his resume and get that 'one slam wonder' tag off his back.

I think Rafa still wins tomorrow though, but it won't be easy, I'll go with Rafa in 5 sets, Rafa just looks like so motivated and when Rafa has that hungry look in his eyes, watch out!!! He will be very tough to stop, will Nole be mentally and physically strong enough to hold off Rafa? I can not wait to watch and find out. VAMOS & AJDE!!!

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Re: who has the most to prove in tomorrow's final?

Djokovic has the most to prove.
Nadal has the most to lose.

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Djokovic has the most to prove.
Nadal has the most to lose.
This.
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Re: who has the most to prove in tomorrow's final?

Rafa has the most to prove. Basically, he has to prove he can beat a top hard court player he struggles with whose been playing well, when he has questions of being in the final solely due to a weak draw, injuries and poor performance and fatigue of others. Beating Nole like he did in the Olympics would really quiet a lot of doubters, and prove that he is one of the best not just on hard court, but to ever play the game of tennis professionally.
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Re: who has the most to prove in tomorrow's final?

Rafa has to prove nothing

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Re: who has the most to prove in tomorrow's final?

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Rafa has the most to prove. Basically, he has to prove he can beat a top hard court player he struggles with whose been playing well, when he has questions of being in the final solely due to a weak draw, injuries and poor performance and fatigue of others. Beating Nole like he did in the Olympics would really quiet a lot of doubters, and prove that he is one of the best not just on hard court, but to ever play the game of tennis professionally.


rafa has beaten roddick, nole, murray, and roger on hc, grass and clay.. on hc, he's beaten nole at the olympics and roger in one of the greatest aussie open finals of all time.. i don't think the guy has anything to prove on hc or any other surface against anyone, especially with 8 majors, including wins on all 3 slam surfaces, clay, grass and hc (the first man of his generation to achieve such a feat), and olympic gold already under his belt.. rafa also won the '08 wimbledon final, a match instantly touted the reatest final ever.. all of which means rafa's already proven he's one of the best to ever play the game of tennis, not just on clay, but on any surface..

that's why i still think nole has the most to prove today in attempting to dispel the notion that's he's nothing more than a one-slam wonder whose only slam title came at the expense of jo-willy tsonga..

all rafa has to prove is that he can win the uso.. that's all.. however, after reaching 3-consecutive uso semis, it was only a matter of time before he won this thing anyway, and no one ever doubted he would eventually..

not to mention the fact that nole trails rafa by 7:14 lifetime and needs to prove he can reverse that staggering h2h deficit..

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Re: who has the most to prove in tomorrow's final?

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Djokovic has the most to prove.
Nadal has the most to lose.


i can certainly agree with this..


rafa is on the brink of completing a milestone most players only dream of, so that failing to do so after such a dramatic run these past 2 weeks would represent a very disappointing blow..

while..

nole is attempting to prove he can actually win more than one slam and do something about reversing his staggering h2h deficit against rafa, including 0:4 at the majors..

the former has the most to lose, the latter has the most to prove..

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Re: who has the most to prove in tomorrow's final?

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Rafa has the most to prove. Basically, he has to prove he can beat a top hard court player he struggles with whose been playing well, when he has questions of being in the final solely due to a weak draw, injuries and poor performance and fatigue of others. Beating Nole like he did in the Olympics would really quiet a lot of doubters, and prove that he is one of the best not just on hard court, but to ever play the game of tennis professionally.
that match in the olympics Nole completelly dominated but he played fun with it too much and lost. Nole completelly dominates these matches but Rafa has a way of defense that deeply irritates and distracts to come from behind.
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Re: who has the most to prove in tomorrow's final?

Nadal, of course. Can he still win HC titles? Has not won a title on HC in over 18 months.
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Re: who has the most to prove in tomorrow's final?

Djokovic, of course, he has to prove AO 08 wasn't a once-on-a-lifetime event.
Rafa has already made his name in the history of the sport, more than all other players barring the six guys who still have more slams than him, so that any further win is only about piling more success into his trunk. In contrast, Djoko is still fighting for something else than a relatively very minor role in tennis history.
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Re: who has the most to prove in tomorrow's final?

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Djokovic, of course, he has to prove AO 08 wasn't a once-on-a-lifetime event.
Rafa has already made his name in the history of the sport, more than all other players barring the six guys who still have more slams than him, so that any further win is only about piling more success into his trunk. In contrast, Djoko is still fighting for something else than a relatively very minor role in tennis history.
Exactly. But the question is, even given all that, is he as hungry as Nadal? If not, that could be the main reason he remains something of a footnote.

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