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Rafa beating Djokovic will say more about Rafa's hardcourt skill than beating Federer

If Rafa beat Federer in the US Open Final the haters would simply say it's just a "matchup problem" Federer has, like they always say. But, Rafa beating Djokovic on Rafa's worst surface and Djokovic's best will prove more about how good Rafa actually is on this surface, because Djokovic actually matches up well tactically with Rafa. So while I was disappointed Rafa didn't get the chance to expand his dominance over Federer it may actually be more convincing to beat Djokovic. And Federer will keep reaching the latter stages of Australian Opens and US Opens so no doubt Rafa vs Federer will happen again on hardcourts, hopefully the Australian Open Final when Rafa goes for the mind-bogglingly historical 4th straight slam.
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Re: Rafa beating Djokovic will say more about Rafa's hardcourt skill than beating Fed

How will beating a five time former champ = beating the eternal USO runner up :retard::retard::retard:
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How will beating a five time former champ = beating the eternal USO runner up :retard::retard::retard:
Because you didn't read my post.

I explained it, Nadal has clear matchup advantages over Federer and has ruled him at the Australian Open and Wimbledon. While Djokovic has proven to have matchup advantages over Nadal. Everybody knows it.

And I bet if Nadal beat Federer at US Open we would read threads about Federer being better on hardcourts than Nadal but Nadal only beating him because of the "matchup". Beating Djokovic on this surface in a way is greater evidence of Nadal's hardcourt ability.
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So basically you're just stupid?
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So basically I'm just stupid?
It appears so.
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If Rafa beat Federer in the US Open Final the haters would simply say it's just a "matchup problem" Federer has, like they always say. But, Rafa beating Djokovic on Rafa's worst surface and Djokovic's best will prove more about how good Rafa actually is on this surface, because Djokovic actually matches up well tactically with Rafa. So while I was disappointed Rafa didn't get the chance to expand his dominance over Federer it may actually be more convincing to beat Djokovic. And Federer will keep reaching the latter stages of Australian Opens and US Opens so no doubt Rafa vs Federer will happen again on hardcourts, hopefully the Australian Open Final when Rafa goes for the mind-bogglingly historical 4th straight slam.
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This is one of the shittest threads ever. Federer is the hardcourt king in grand-slams. He might be past it, but hell he have Djoko and Del Potro an almighty struggle.

Nadal will never be known as a Federer hardcourt player than Federer anytime soon.
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Federer has won 9 HC slams.

More than anybody else.
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Federer has won 9 HC slams.

More than anybody else.
I still think Rafa will get more credit for beating Djokovic on this surface than Federer. People almost expect Rafa to beat Federer, even though Federer is a 5-time champion here, they see the mental edge and the tactical edge and they expect Rafa will win. Djokovic whereas would pretty much be the favorite (if he's not exhausted, and we may be able to assess whether he's exhausted by his movement). If there is rain and the match is extended to another day then there is no issue of Djokovic struggling physically, and Rafa beating him in straight sets would change the way we perceive him and then consider Rafa to be a better hardcourt player than Djokovic and now a threat to Del Potro. It's hard not to be considered the best hardcourter going around if you set a new record for fewest breaks at the USO.
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If Rafa beat Federer in the US Open Final the haters would simply say it's just a "matchup problem" Federer has, like they always say. But, Rafa beating Djokovic on Rafa's worst surface and Djokovic's best will prove more about how good Rafa actually is on this surface, because Djokovic actually matches up well tactically with Rafa. So while I was disappointed Rafa didn't get the chance to expand his dominance over Federer it may actually be more convincing to beat Djokovic. And Federer will keep reaching the latter stages of Australian Opens and US Opens so no doubt Rafa vs Federer will happen again on hardcourts, hopefully the Australian Open Final when Rafa goes for the mind-bogglingly historical 4th straight slam.
What does the cake draw or bad scheduling say about Rafa's hard court game? This thread needs to be fed to sharks.

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What does the cake draw or bad scheduling say about Rafa's hard court game? This thread needs to be fed to sharks.
Traditionally a top seed only players 2 (sometimes 3) guys in the top 10 during a slam (sometimes less considering that upsets occur, as we saw with Federer's slams last year). Rafa played Verdasco and Djokovic. Verdasco took Rafa to 5 sets last time they met in a hardcourt slam (and that semi was considered a higher quality than the Final between Federer and Rafa). Djokovic ranked number 2, and widely considered the 2nd or 3rd best hardcourt player in the world. Nothing 'cake' about that.
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I still think Rafa will get more credit for beating Djokovic on this surface than Federer. People almost expect Rafa to beat Federer, even though Federer is a 5-time champion here, they see the mental edge and the tactical edge and they expect Rafa will win. Djokovic whereas would pretty much be the favorite (if he's not exhausted, and we may be able to assess whether he's exhausted by his movement). If there is rain and the match is extended to another day then there is no issue of Djokovic struggling physically, and Rafa beating him in straight sets would change the way we perceive him and then consider Rafa to be a better hardcourt player than Djokovic and now a threat to Del Potro. It's hard not to be considered the best hardcourter going around if you set a new record for fewest breaks at the USO.
No way. Beating a player that won 5 USOs would have been seen as more prestigious.

Just like Fed beating Rafa(4 FOs at the time) at the FO final in 2009 would have been seen as more prestigious....
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No way. Beating a player that won 5 USOs would have been seen as more prestigious.
That's what I think. But if you read forums after Rafa beats Federer you understand what I'm talking about. The credit is taken away somewhat from Rafa and its suggested that Federer simply has a "matchup problem" with Rafa and that Rafa just hits the high-bouncing ball to Federer's backhand. Federer is still considered to be the better player on tour according to many even though Rafa beats him on clay, grass and australian open hard. At least by beating Djokovic (in straight sets especially) Rafa is given full credit for being the better hardcourt player. If he did that to Federer there'd be some form of discrediting used and it'd be "Federer is old, he'd beat Rafa in his prime" or "Rafa just pushes until Federer hits backhand errors" etc.
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No way. Beating a player that won 5 USOs would have been seen as more prestigious.

Just like Fed beating Rafa(4 FOs at the time) at the FO final in 2009 would have been seen as more prestigious....
Not true. If Federer beat Rafa at Roland Garros then Federer would get FULL credit. Whereas if Rafa beat Federer at US Open then Rafa wouldn't be given FULL credit. So that's why I don't care now that Rafa didn't get to play Federer at US Open this year. Originally I was disappointed, but now I don't care, because there would be excuses if Federer lost, regarding age or "matchup problems" etc.
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