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post #1 of 42 (permalink) Old 09-14-2004, 04:51 PM Thread Starter
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Roddick or Hewitt: who will clinch the year-end number two ranking?

So with Roger having sealed the year-end number one ranking, these two will probably be fighting it out for the number two ranking. Chances are that they will play each other at least once, probably more if they meet in one of the TMS, before the end of the year.

The head-to-head is 3-1 to Hewitt, although Roddick won the last match (at Queen's in June).

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NY, U.S.A. Hard Q Hewitt 6 7 6 3 6 4 3 6 6 4

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France Clay R32 Hewitt 6 7 6 4 2 2

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FL, U.S.A. Hard Q Hewitt 6 3 6 2

So who do you think will make it? Until the US Open it seemed that Roddick would stay on at number two, but Hewitt has come back strongly this summer and also has nothing to defend for the rest of the year, so can only gain points from now on. However, if Roddick does well enough at the TMS and Houston then he can still hold on to it. So it's open at the moment and the number two ranking might well come down to their results at the TMC.
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Re: Roddick or Hewitt: who will clinch the year-end number two ranking?

no way could be hewitt.... he hasnt done enough: or shall we say enough as Roddick. good thread btw

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Re: Roddick or Hewitt: who will clinch the year-end number two ranking?

It's a toss-up at the moment. There's only 36 race points between them (Roddick ahead), and 350 points from required tournaments to play for. So it could go to either of them. With number one already done and dusted, it would be nice to see them battle it out in Houston.

I'd go with Hewitt. He's not bad indoors in Europe (made Bercy final 2 years ago, won Rotterdam earlier this year), and seems to be getting back his confidence. Roddick may bounce back very well from losing his USO title, but he might not; he may also have the DC final to concentrate on at the end of the year.
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Re: Roddick or Hewitt: who will clinch the year-end number two ranking?

Hewitt does have less points to defend and Roddick doesn't do that well after the US Open, so I will go with Hewitt.
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It's a toss-up at the moment. There's only 36 race points between them (Roddick ahead), and 350 points from required tournaments to play for. So it could go to either of them. With number one already done and dusted, it would be nice to see them battle it out in Houston.

I'd go with Hewitt. He's not bad indoors in Europe (made Bercy final 2 years ago, won Rotterdam earlier this year), and seems to be getting back his confidence. Roddick may bounce back very well from losing his USO title, but he might not; he may also have the DC final to concentrate on at the end of the year.
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Re: Roddick or Hewitt: who will clinch the year-end number two ranking?

I'd go with Hewitt. Absolutely no points to defend from last year (Andy has a few) and Andy just doesn't seem to play that well in Europe. As for the race, I'd also go with Hewitt there, he will probably do better in Madrid and Paris than Andy will. But, it would be good to have it decided in Houston, bring a little bit of excitement to the week.

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Re: Roddick or Hewitt: who will clinch the year-end number two ranking?

Lleyton has nothing to defend, and I think he'll get past the US Open faster than Andy will. As painful as the final was to Lleyton, I think that Andy will find losing his trophy even more painful, and especially since he lost well before the final and to a relatively unknown player, and at his home slam. On the other hand, Lleyton may get married between now and the end of the year, which could limit his playing time. Hmm, I'm still going with Lleyton, because even with an upcoming marriage, he's still the most competitive guy out there.

BTW, based on what I've heard the players say, they don't really seem to worry all that much whether they're ranked 2, 3, or 4. Being inside the top 4 is very important, as is being No. 1 of course, but it's the top 4 who get to avoid one another until the SFs at the slams, and that's what matters to them. I suspect the fans and the media care worry about this more than the players do (although it's still interesting to talk about).

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Re: Roddick or Hewitt: who will clinch the year-end number two ranking?

Hewitt seems hungrier, I'll go with him.
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roddick by over 100 points
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Re: Roddick or Hewitt: who will clinch the year-end number two ranking?

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Hewitt does have less points to defend and Roddick doesn't do that well after the US Open, so I will go with Hewitt.
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Re: Roddick or Hewitt: who will clinch the year-end number two ranking?

Several mentioned defending points. But I think it'd be easier to look at the CR points if we're talking year-end ranking. We just need to see who will get more points before year-end since Hewitt is only 36 points behind Roddick. Nothing to do with the defending stuff, right?
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Several mentioned defending points. But I think it'd be easier to look at the CR points if we're talking year-end ranking. We just need to see who will get more points before year-end since Hewitt is only 36 points behind Roddick. Nothing to do with the defending stuff, right?
Yes, CR has nothing to do with defending points, that's ER. I think the ATP considers the CR to determine the year-end No. 1. Personally, I prefer the ER system, precisely because it does make you defend your points year after year, which I think is harder than simply accumulating points from scratch in January. Anyway, right now, there's not much between the two systems for the guys at the top.
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Re: Roddick or Hewitt: who will clinch the year-end number two ranking?

I think Hewitt will scrape through for it - but only just. Of course, I could just be being hopeful but this is my logic - Hewitt has a better record on indoor courts which make up most of the rest of the season, plus he had done consistently well at the Masters Cup. Hewitt's not any defending points from any of these of course, but that's not really the issue - it's whether or not he will do better than Roddick for the rest of the year.

As to who "deserves" to be #2, I think it's extremely close. Hewitt has had a very marginally better run at the slams this year, but obviously Roddick must have had a better year overall or he wouldn't still be ahead in the race. It will be very interesting to see what happens.

Incidentally, I understand what the ATP's trying to do with the Race, but I still think having two ranking systems is confusing and silly.
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