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Brad Gilbert: Federer can't be considered GOAT if..

Brad Gilbert on ESPN and he said how he loves seeing Fed vs. Nadal in the final. He then said, if Rafa beats Roger in US Open Final, the discussion is over and Fed has no chance of being considered the GOAT. Agree?

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16-0

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


Wilander on Dimitrov - "He has mind set on imitating Federer and yes it looks good. But he has no idea what to do on the court".

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well, it'd be 16-9, right? Rafa will win probably 3 more French. So, he could technically pass Sampras in a couple of years.

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Sweet!! Another GOAT debate....and during the US Open. This is so important it just couldn't wait for the off season.

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On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


Wilander on Dimitrov - "He has mind set on imitating Federer and yes it looks good. But he has no idea what to do on the court".

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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
Machado wins 6-2 6-1
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Re: Brad Gilbert: Federer can't be considered GOAT if..

To be fair to Gilbert, Rafa has dominated Roger in grand slams. I never thought he could beat Roger in AO and make him cry like he did. It was very traumatic for us Federer fans. I still can't believe how bad Roger played in those 2 first sets against Nadal at Wimbledon. Roger has not has his way with Rafa in so many matches, it's not funny. I am not sure Paul Annacone can do anything for Roger as Rafa is serving out of a tree it seems. I mean he is serving so hard and more aces than ever. Scary! If Delpo was here, we wouldn't have to hear about people's chances of winning this.

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Re: Brad Gilbert: Federer can't be considered GOAT if..

If Roger loses in the final to Rafa, he is not GOAT.

If Roger loses in the QF to Robin, it means he is worse than if he loses in the final.

Therefore, if Roger loses in the QF today, he is not GOAT.
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Re: Brad Gilbert: Federer can't be considered GOAT if..

Nadal could not even reach the finals the past six years.
If Fed loses today and Rafa win the tournament, then Roger is still the best?

Rafa could pass Roger but no after this tournament.

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If Roger loses in the final to Rafa, he is not GOAT.

If Roger loses in the QF to Robin, it means he is worse than if he loses in the final.

Therefore, if Roger loses in the QF today, he is not GOAT.

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If Roger loses in the final to Rafa, he is not GOAT.

If Roger loses in the QF to Robin, it means he is worse than if he loses in the final.

Therefore, if Roger loses in the QF today, he is not GOAT.
Well said. Demonstrating the stupidity of using H2H as an indicater of GOAT.
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Invaluable thread.

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Well said. Demonstrating the stupidity of using H2H as an indicater of GOAT.
GOAT to me is a guy who exudes and delivers dominance of the entire ATP circuit, not just dominance of the whole ATP circuit "minus that one guy who manages to kick my ass almost every time."

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GOAT to me is a guy who exudes and delivers dominance of the entire ATP circuit, not just dominance of the whole ATP circuit "minus that one guy who manages to kick my ass almost every time."
Unfortunately, no player in the history of the ATP has ever done that.

If you want real dominance, you have to go back to Bill Tilden (unbeaten for 5 years in the 1920s?) or perhaps Richard Gonzales on the pro tour in the 1950s.

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If Roger loses in the final to Rafa, he is not GOAT.

If Roger loses in the QF to Robin, it means he is worse than if he loses in the final.

Therefore, if Roger loses in the QF today, he is not GOAT.
If he loses today he is 12-2 against Soderling. He can lose once in a while against any player, besides he has beaten Robin on all 3 surfaces including the tournaments where Robin has defeated him in it.

But if he loses the final against Rafa
He is 7-15 overall against him
2-7 in grand slams
2-6 in slam finals
losing on all 3 surfaces while winning on just one surface
losing in all 4 slams while while winning in one only

I guess this can not be said as having one or two bad days, especially with the slam h2h.

Edit: by this I don't mean Rafa is superior to Roger. I just say that h2h means something, not everything, nor the most important statistics, but it must be taken into consideration.
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