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Dustin in 4 11 39.29%
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WWW US Open R1: Ramirez-Hidalgo v Brown

When I said a couple of other first round matches matters, I meant this one hoes. Can you think of sweeter match in a major? The amount of errors Dustin will hit with RRH pushing tactics will be amazing to watch for anyone there seeing this masterpiece.

So, who do you all think will win this? I know most here like Dustin, I respect him, but I think Ruben will win this match.
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Re: WWW US Open R1: Ramirez-Hidalgo v Brown

You peeps not interested in this match? How can any of you live with yourselves knowing this amazing game is going to be played, and you could care less?
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Yeah I'd be interested to see how this one pans out. Ramirez has been in good form this summer but obviously quicker hard courts aren't ideal for him...should be suitable for Brown but most of his game is very average so one does wonder if he will be able to take advantage.

Should be Brown, but RRH winning wouldn't surprise me.
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Yeah I'd be interested to see how this one pans out. Ramirez has been in good form this summer but obviously quicker hard courts aren't ideal for him...should be suitable for Brown but most of his game is very average so one does wonder if he will be able to take advantage.

Should be Brown, but RRH winning wouldn't surprise me.
You like tennis matches outside of the top players, that's a rarity on here

I expect RRH is going to win solely because Dustin is going to error himself out of the match. As you said, his game is average. His hope is that he simply outhits RRH or forces RRH into errors with his power. He also has to serve and return huge. But in a best-of-5, I truly doubt Dustin has any sort of consistency to stay with someone mentally and physically tough as RRH is.
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You like tennis matches outside of the top players, that's a rarity on here

I expect RRH is going to win solely because Dustin is going to error himself out of the match. As you said, his game is average. His hope is that he simply outhits RRH or forces RRH into errors with his power. He also has to serve and return huge. But in a best-of-5, I truly doubt Dustin has any sort of consistency to stay with someone mentally and physically tough as RRH is.
Yeah, the names might not be as impressive (as a Querrey, Verdasco etc) but the matches are generally more competitive...and I like to see a good battle. Nothing worse than paying 2, 3, 4 times more money to get a ticket to a show court and see Murray, Federer, Del Potro etc beat up the little guys.

The ground pass is where it's at.


Like the Phau/Mello match, again, I can't call it with confidence. You're right about Brown...he will surely hit plenty of errors. Will he hit enough errors? He'll certainly need a good serving performance to keep his nose in front. From there, it is up to RRH, and I've seen enough of his own serving to know that he is prone to losing rhythm (and his serve isn't even particularly big)...his take back is a little dodgy.
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Enjoying these threads. Always down for a bit of tennis hypergraphia.
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Yeah I think RRH will drive Brown bonkers but who knows
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As for the match, Brown should clinch it.

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Yeah, the names might not be as impressive (as a Querrey, Verdasco etc) but the matches are generally more competitive...and I like to see a good battle. Nothing worse than paying 2, 3, 4 times more money to get a ticket to a show court and see Murray, Federer, Del Potro etc beat up the little guys.

The ground pass is where it's at.


Like the Phau/Mello match, again, I can't call it with confidence. You're right about Brown...he will surely hit plenty of errors. Will he hit enough errors? He'll certainly need a good serving performance to keep his nose in front. From there, it is up to RRH, and I've seen enough of his own serving to know that he is prone to losing rhythm (and his serve isn't even particularly big)...his take back is a little dodgy.
That is so true, I would gladly trade a Federer v Dabul ticket to watch this match. It's the outside courts where you really see the life of a tennis player on court and where you see the most dramatic and interesting matches. Like you, I like competitive matches, I'm a fan of tennis, not names.


RRH definitely can lose rhythm on his serve and hit a lot of DFs. He has a takeback where he puts the racquet over his head and extends his body, and then the rest of his body catches up with his arm. His second serve is awful. But yes, Dustin can hit enough errors. He absolutely can and does error himself out of matches. If he serves well he'll keep pressure on RRH to hold, that is his best shot. Then he can smack some returns and hope he gets hot and breaks.

Even with that said, RRH is a good returner, so that may not be enough.
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Dustin has any sort of consistency to stay with someone mentally and physically tough as RRH is.
RRh is a huge chocker anda bottler mate...and he sucks..on Deco and with Wilson balls i doubt he will return much...and even tough Dustin indeed makes alot of basic errors he can hit a ball unlike RRH..can volley too and get alot of cheap points
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That is so true, I would gladly trade a Federer v Dabul ticket to watch this match. It's the outside courts where you really see the life of a tennis player on court and where you see the most dramatic and interesting matches. Like you, I like competitive matches, I'm a fan of tennis, not names.

A lot of people here are like that actually. When I went to Atlanta I enjoyed watching the Kunitsyn/Lacko battle with no one watchning instead of a packed house watching Roddick play doubles.

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RRH is a clay player, and Dustin had some good results in the past, on hard surface... But with Dustin you'll never know, veru unpredicteble matches and last weeks some very bad results. It's almost 50/50, but I will go to say Brown wins, here. Maybe in 4 or 5.
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i would also trade a ticket from fed-dabul to this one mainly because this one is more intense. federer will always be there to be beat others, but these ones are a rarity.

brown in 4.
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RRh is a huge chocker anda bottler mate...and he sucks..on Deco and with Wilson balls i doubt he will return much...and even tough Dustin indeed makes alot of basic errors he can hit a ball unlike RRH..can volley too and get alot of cheap points
Choker? I've never seen RRH choke before ever (and no, I don't consider the Federer match in MC a full-blown choke), on scoreboard or in real life, and I've followed him for a long time. I've seen him stroll into matches with no desire or care of winning them, but never actually choking leads consistently. He may not be the best player, but neither is Dustin. RRH can hit the ball in the court on a reasonably consistent basis, and he's a decent returner (off the backhand), which is all he may need to do in this match. Hit it in, run a lot, and wait for errors. The court and balls of the US Open hurt his cause, I agree. But the quicker courts with balls that fly through the air and skid make Dustin even more at risk to losing his timing and making errors. Dustin can volley well at times but he has to make the first serve to do that consistently effectively and also make the approach shots, two things he struggles with too often. If he does like he generally does and goes big for second serves, he can be aggressive off of it but that could lead to high DF numbers.

I like RRH and I won't pretend he's even good on fast hard courts, but it's really questionable whether Dustin is consistent enough to beat someone who will make him beat himself. He can't play 1 good point and 3 bad ones and beat RRH, even on this surface.
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A lot of people here are like that actually. When I went to Atlanta I enjoyed watching the Kunitsyn/Lacko battle with no one watchning instead of a packed house watching Roddick play doubles.
That sounds great, much respect for that I would have loved to watch that match, especially Igor, love his game.
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