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post #1 of 37 (permalink) Old 08-24-2010, 12:41 AM Thread Starter
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Do you think that Nadal was robbed in his match against Murray at Toronto?

Murray was serving at 3-3, 30-40, and footage confirmed he served a double fault. That should have given Nadal the game, but instead Murray saved the break point and won the game. Nadal would have been serving up a break, so I think that it made a big difference in the outcome of the set, maybe the entire match. Nadal could, and should have challenged, but ultimately, the umpire and lines people are responsible, because this is their job.

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Re: Do you think that Nadal was robbed in his match against Murray at Toronto?

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Murray was serving at 3-3, 30-40, and footage confirmed he served a double fault. That should have given Nadal the game, but instead Murray saved the break point and won the game. Nadal would have been serving up a break, so I think that it made a big difference in the outcome of the set, maybe the entire match. Nadal could, and should have challenged, but ultimately, the umpire and lines people are responsible, because this is their job.
Not really, this is why we have the challenge system. Nadal should've challenged, and has noone to blame but himself.

Besides, its pointless speculating whether or not Nadal would've won had that happened. Murray was the better player on the day, and would probably have won anyway.

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Murray was serving at 3-3, 30-40, and footage confirmed he served a double fault. That should have given Nadal the game, but instead Murray saved the break point and won the game. Nadal would have been serving up a break, so I think that it made a big difference in the outcome of the set, maybe the entire match. Nadal could, and should have challenged, but ultimately, the umpire and lines people are responsible, because this is their job.
I'm a Nadal fan, but like you say, Nadal could have challenge, so it's mainly his fault. the challenges are made for the players use them. If Nadal didn't challenge it's cause he didn't have a doubt that the umpire and lines people we're right...
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He shoulda challenged, he knew it was out and didn't question it

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He almost always seems to challenge anything that seems remotely close, even if it's a few inches out. Not sure why he didn't challenge that serve

Otherwise, no. It would be pathetic if someone was that affected by a missed call, they should be trained enough to reset after each set.
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Toronto, eh?

I'd like to go back to a match Nadal played when he was 2 years old and he got a bum call on a buggy whip forehand down the line winner.

He has never been the same since.
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Re: Do you think that Nadal was robbed in his match against Murray at Toronto?

I don't think it was Nadal's fault for not challenging. It's the linespeople's job to call that, not the players. That said, one point at that stage of the match is not a match-changing result ...so, get over it.
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Re: Do you think that Nadal was robbed in his match against Murray at Toronto?

Robbed isn't quite the correct phrase that describes it, he did get screwed over and he shouldn't be put in the position to call his own lines. The ball was clearly out by quite a bit and the linespeople should have called the ball out, and the umpire was there on that line, he should have seen it and called it out. He was screwed over, but he did have the opportunity to challenge and he didn't. Did it affect the match? Yes, it did, as it would have given Rafa a break and control. That game spurred Murray on to better things. So it did affect the match, but the final result? That is only one point of hundreds, and no true professional player allows one point to dictate the match as a whole.
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Re: Do you think that Nadal was robbed in his match against Murray at Toronto?

It's absurd to suggest he was robbed. One bad call on the first set can have affected that set, probably did and you can't tell what role it would have had from them onwards (Nadal getting more confident or Murray nervous). However, one ball doesn't explain the whole match, not like if it was on the final games.

That said, I have my doubts on whether Nadal had a real chance to challenge the call: It was a serve, you return it, maybe you have doubts but the linemen don't call anything, Murray returns your ball... what do you do, stop the point? You have to be very sure it was out to do so, if you stop but are not right, you have thrown the point away. So you hit the ball back and forgo the chance to challenge anything. It sucks, but the rules are the same for everyone.
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Re: Do you think that Nadal was robbed in his match against Murray at Toronto?

No tennis match is won or lost on one point, so no. If Nadal had played better than Murray, then he would have won. No robbery involved.
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It is indeed a conspiracy.
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It's absurd to suggest he was robbed. One bad call on the first set can have affected that set, probably did and you can't tell what role it would have had from them onwards (Nadal getting more confident or Murray nervous). However, one ball doesn't explain the whole match, not like if it was on the final games.

That said, I have my doubts on whether Nadal had a real chance to challenge the call: It was a serve, you return it, maybe you have doubts but the linemen don't call anything, Murray returns your ball... what do you do, stop the point? You have to be very sure it was out to do so, if you stop but are not right, you have thrown the point away. So you hit the ball back and forgo the chance to challenge anything. It sucks, but the rules are the same for everyone.
Exactly what the commentators said on tennistv. and that's what happened...to close to call on reaction point of view in that case.
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Re: Do you think that Nadal was robbed in his match against Murray at Toronto?

Nadal had a terrible call called on him at an extremely important moment in the second set at Wimbledon 2006 against Baghdatis who looked like he was going to at least take the set into a tie-breaker. But did it ruin him? No. He did complain about the call, and this was a year before Hawk Eye was installed at Wimbledon so he couldn't do anything at all except just accept that he lost a point. In the end, he still denied Marcos from taking the set to a breaker and won the match.

So no, Nadal wasn't robbed. Yes, the line judge and chair umpire handled that one pretty badly as the ball was clearly out, and Nadal should have challenged, but this stuff happens to all players regardless. I would think a worse situation is if Murray had game point rather than down a break point and this happened because the game would be totally over rather than just going to deuce giving Nadal still a shot.

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