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Murray - Nadal: a comparison

I'm on sick bay for a couple of days and have a lot of spare time. Tired of reading or watching DVDs, I've compared the records of Nadal and Murray. I'm a big Nadal fan, and I also like Murray a lot and am among those who expect him to do well in the following years, so I simply wanted to see how both players compare with one another.

Well, since the job is done I put it here in case some of you find it interesting. I don't pretend to start an argument nor to prove or disprove anything, simply to share something I wasted my time doing.

A few remarks:

- For slams and EOY, I've counted all results equal to or better than a QF. For all other tournaments, I only include wins and finals.

- I've classified tournaments according to their present category (exception Hamburg, which was a MS and I've treated it as such).

- I give the number of years that a player has entered a slam or EOY (end of year masters cup), counting from the very beginning, even if, for example, Rafa's first Wimbledon was in 2003, when he was only 17. Years in which a player skipped a GS are not included. You can see that Rafa has usually played one more time in each major; that is to be expected, since he is almost a year (11 months) older than Andy.

- Since Rafa has been around about 6 years while Andy only 5, if all other things were equal, Andy would be tied with Rafa if he had about 80% of Rafa's results.

- Besides the overall records, I have added a totally subjective category called "big results", which incldes only wins and finals in the year's 14 main events (4GS, EOY, 9MS1000), plus Olympics, to avoid comparing apples to pears if all the minor tournaments are included.

NOTE: This is the first time I try to attach something to a post, so I hope it works.

Results included:

Murray wins: 1 Cinci, 1 Miami, 2 Canada (Montreal & Toronto), 1 Madrid-hard; 1 Rotterdam, 1 Valencia; 1 Queens, 2 Doha, 2 San José, 2 St. Petersburg, 1 Marseille.

Murray finals: 1 USO, 1 AO; 1 IW; 1 Washington; 1 each in Los Angeles, Doha, Bangkok, Metz.

Nadal wins: 5 FO, 2 WB, 1 AO; 1 Olymp.; 6 MC, 5 Rome, 1 Hamburg, 1 Madrid-clay, 2 IW, 2 Canada (1Montreal, 1 Toronto), 1 Madrid-hard; 5 Barcelona, 1 Acapulco, 1 Beijing, 1 Dubai; 2 Stuttgart, 1 Bastad, 1 Sopot, 1 Costa do Sauipe, 1 Queens.

Nadal finals: 2 WB; 1 Hamburg, 1 Madrid-clay, 2 Miami, 1 Shanghai, 1 Bercy; 1 Rotterdam; 1 Auckland, 1 Chennai, 1 Doha.
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Re: Murray - Nadal: a comparison

Sorry but nothing to compare.. or maybe Murray has something to challenge this Rafa's Hall Of Fame - First Thread

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Re: Murray - Nadal: a comparison

I thought Murray only made QF once at Wimbledon (2008)?
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Sorry but nothing to compare.. or maybe Murray has something to challenge this Rafa's Hall Of Fame - First Thread
Didn't know that page, I seldom visit other frums than general messages. Anyway, I don't see that your link gives much info of the sort I was looking for, which is a direct compariosn of records, nor an exhaustive compilation of Rafa's results.
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Didn't know that page, I seldom visit other frums than general messages. Anyway, I don't see that your link gives much info of the sort I was looking for, which is a direct compariosn of records, nor an exhaustive compilation of Rafa's results.
What records Murray achieved?

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Re: Murray - Nadal: a comparison

it's just a face off, peribsen isn't saying that Murray is better or has more records, it's simply A vs B

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I thought Murray only made QF once at Wimbledon (2008)?

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Re: Murray - Nadal: a comparison

Apart from their playing styles having some similarities, I don't think Nadal and Murray are alike at all... so I don't see a point in comparing them, really.
This topic might be relevant when Murray has won 5+ slams. That won't happen, however, because Nadal is on another level. (Yes, it does pain me to praise Nadal. )

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Sorry but nothing to compare.. or maybe Murray has something to challenge this Rafa's Hall Of Fame - First Thread
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there is no point in comparing Murray to Nadal - not the same class

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Re: Murray - Nadal: a comparison

What a miserable shower.

Nobody forced you to read Peribsen's post.

The fact that Nadal is infinitely more successful doesn't preclude the possibility of looking at the magnitude of that superiority in different circumstances being interesting to some.
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Re: Murray - Nadal: a comparison

Very interesting read. Unfortunately for Murray fans, however, it's 8>0 Nadal where it really counts.
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Re: Murray - Nadal: a comparison

Nadal has too much as far as wins to compare, there's little to dispute or discuss.
It might be interesting to compare playing styles, advantages of each and where it causes problems for the other player. Surfaces can come into play as each style has advantages on different surfaces.


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Re: Murray - Nadal: a comparison

murray is a great player, no doubt he will win multiple slams.
rafa needs more slams to become the 2nd greatest player of all time.
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there is no point in comparing Murray to Nadal - not the same class
wow, good job on that HoF thing. very nice.
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