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Worst imaginable matchup for Nadal ?

It's common knowledge Nadal has a positive H2H vs almost every player out there, maybe except Nalbandian and Davydenko.

I was wondering if any tennis specialist could imagine the perfect anti-Nadal player. No with real life examples like del Potro or Djokovic, but with physical characteristics, strong points and perfect game plans against the Spaniard.

U can take out clay of this discution since real life showed us no way to beat piggy, except maybe a god-mode Federer, Djokovic or Coria who all came 1 point close of doing something like beating the mallorcan on clay when he was in form.

So, how would u describe the worst possible matchup for Rafa ? (something like what he is for Federer, let's say...)

Q. Do you think you would have been able to play as well as you played today, or you think you would have pulled out from the game if it wasn't the Masters Cup final?

ROGER FEDERER: No, Roger Federer doesn't pull out. Otherwise he doesn't walk on court (smiling).


After losing to Nalbandian in 2005 TMC final...
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Re: Worst matchup for Nadal ?

Sergio Roitman.

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


Wilander on Dimitrov - "He has mind set on imitating Federer and yes it looks good. But he has no idea what to do on the court".

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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
Machado wins 6-2 6-1
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Sergio Roitman.
I forgot to mention: apart from Sergio

Q. Do you think you would have been able to play as well as you played today, or you think you would have pulled out from the game if it wasn't the Masters Cup final?

ROGER FEDERER: No, Roger Federer doesn't pull out. Otherwise he doesn't walk on court (smiling).


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Patrick Rafter.

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Re: Worst imaginable matchup for Nadal ?

Do u spend most of the days thinking evil about Nadal or just this day..
Either way..U spend too much time on Nadal for a hater..

On Clay.... Actually 2009 FO Soderling can really take it to Nadal even if he is healthy..

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Re: Worst imaginable matchup for Nadal ?

Same as everyone else:

Peak Murray. Be afraid.
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Re: Worst imaginable matchup for Nadal ?

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Re: Worst imaginable matchup for Nadal ?

The worst match up for Rafa would be a guy who moves very well, can stay patient and consistent in rallies and not allow Rafa to control points with the forehand, a guy who has first strike ability/ability to change direction/power with both FH/BH, a big serve, a good returner and the ability to finish points and not allow Rafa to get into rallies when he's on the defensive.

Look at the guys who are currently playing, think Murray with the consistent power of Soderling and the ball striking/ability to take the ball early of a peak Davydenko.
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Re: Worst imaginable matchup for Nadal ?

A left handed, taller Davydenko would kick Rafa's butt on any surface
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The Murray from USO '08 - served out of his mind that day and the barrage of aggressive ground strokes was too much for him that day. Probably the only time I've seen him kneeling over tugging his shorts looking exhausted.
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Re: Worst imaginable matchup for Nadal ?

I think Peak Murray can give Nadal nightmares even on Clay...
Even when He is agressive He cant put away d ball against Murray..It frustrates him mentally They met only once i think at MC 2009..where Nadal won first set 6-2.He had a break in the second..Then Murray got into d game and broke nadal and it went to a tiebreak..The expression on Nadal's face after He won d tiebreak was that of a relieved man.
I think Murray can definitely take sets off Nadal on Clay if they meet in d future..

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Re: Worst imaginable matchup for Nadal ?

Murray doesn't move well enough on clay and his forehand isn't up to it on the surface.

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


Wilander on Dimitrov - "He has mind set on imitating Federer and yes it looks good. But he has no idea what to do on the court".

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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
Machado wins 6-2 6-1
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A left handed, taller Davydenko would kick Rafa's butt on any surface
Murrays Backhand can be considered as a Lefty Forehand...
Davydenko is overrated in my opinion when it comes to Nadal.. Peak Nadal can wipe d floor with Davy as shown in Doha final 1st set..He had two wins over clueless Nadal in last season and improved his H2H..Nadal couldn't hit a down the line FH to save his ass in those matches...and He still made the matches close..

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Re: Worst imaginable matchup for Nadal ?

no need to create any imaginery player as peak and healthy Pony kicks Nadull's ass on any surface - tall, huge groundies and not bothered by spin one bit.

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Re: Worst imaginable matchup for Nadal ?

Murray doesn't have the game to be really top notch on clay. The movement, but also he doesn't have the pure weight of shot. Also, the first serve percentage would be a major issue on clay because it gives Rafa more time to return the ball.

Rafa has a great record against left handed players, because he can move his forehand away from the opponents forehand and drag them out wide out of position. A lefty forehand is so much different than a solid two handed righty backhand, there is no comparison.
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