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Fed vs Nad on fast hardcourts

Imho, fast hardcourts are/were Cincinnati, USOpen, WTF, Sydney/Athens/Beijing Olympics.

Cincinnati: Fed has 4 finals/3 wins ----------- Nadal - 0 finals
USOpen: Fed has 6 finals/5 wins -------- Nadal has 0 finals
WTF: Fed has 5 finals/4 wins -------- Nadal has 0 finals (Fed is 2-0 vs Nad on WTF)
Olympics singles: Fed has 0 finals -------- Nadal has 1 final/1 win

I don't know about Dubai, but I think it's quite fast, too...

Fed has 4 finals/3 wins ------ Nadal has 1 final/1 win (vs. Fed, btw)...

Any corrections or smth to add to this statistic ?

And, finally (just to make some posters here understand how stupid their questions sound): WHO IS BETTER ON FAST HC? Fed or NAD ?

Q. Do you think you would have been able to play as well as you played today, or you think you would have pulled out from the game if it wasn't the Masters Cup final?

ROGER FEDERER: No, Roger Federer doesn't pull out. Otherwise he doesn't walk on court (smiling).


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Re: Fed vs Nad on fast hardcourts

tough question... Ima go with Fed...
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Re: Fed vs Nad on fast hardcourts


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Re: Fed vs Nad on fast hardcourts

Fed is nearing the end of his career. Nad is in his prime, expect things to change... Accomplishment comparisons will only be valid after their respective careers are over.

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Peak HC level:
1 Fed and Djoker 2. Murray 3. Nadal (baby Djoker destroyed him routinely on HC, let alone peak Djoker)
Peak grass level:
1. Fed 2. Djoker 3. Murray 4. Nadal. Just ask injured Darcis how good he is.
Peak Clay level:
1. Djoker (smoked peak Nadal with ease) and Fed (bagelled peak nadal on clay) 2. Murray (just utterly embarrassed Nadal) 3. Nadal.
Anyone who disputes any of this is a troll.

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Fed is nearing the end of his career. Nad is in his prime, expect things to change... Accomplishment comparisons will only be valid after their respective careers are over.
Absolutely.

Anyway, I don't expect Nadal to rock on fast HC with Murray, Djokovic, Cilic, Gulbis and del Potro also in their prime.

Q. Do you think you would have been able to play as well as you played today, or you think you would have pulled out from the game if it wasn't the Masters Cup final?

ROGER FEDERER: No, Roger Federer doesn't pull out. Otherwise he doesn't walk on court (smiling).


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Re: Fed vs Nad on fast hardcourts

Nadal isn't neither in top 20 of fast hard court players . He looks funny on fast courts . His BH is clownish shot . He is capable only to play slice , and that slice is . That are best examples where Nadal would be 10-15 years ago when every court except clay was fast . On this kind of courts neither his brainless running could help him . His 2 Wimbledon titles are the biggest disgraces for tennis . Few years ago ¸on grass it was impossible on good slice response with enormous spin and these days this is normal and there is no utility from a good slice . In today's tennis everything is made for brainless moonballers

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Re: Fed vs Nad on fast hardcourts

rafa is a mug on fast hardcourts, even he admitted in an interview that he struggles alot on fast hardcourts.

this why he will never win cincy, USO and WTF.
too fast for him.
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Fed is nearing the end of his career. Nad is in his prime, expect things to change... Accomplishment comparisons will only be valid after their respective careers are over.
He obviously never will be in the same ball park as a hard court player. Nadal is not a hard court player, but he's not a grass court player either, yet he's effective on grass. The reasons are not that important right now. One more thing to add, if they would play 10 matches on super fast hard courts, i wouldn't expect Roger to beat Nadal 8 out ot 10 times, like the spaniard does on clay...

It would be more like 6-4, or 7-3, and even that is questionable, if they'd play those 10 matches in the next one year, for example... But that obviously wouldn't mean Rafa is better on hard courts... He is, was, and just will be a horrible matchup for Roger, as we all know. He would be one on ice, sand, and if they were playing on the moon, probably. Well, maybe not on the moon, his topsin wouldn't do too much damage there.
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He is, was, and just will be a horrible matchup for Roger, as we all know. He would be one on ice, sand, and if they were playing on the moon, probably. Well, maybe not on the moon, his topsin wouldn't do too much damage there.
Yeah, I can't wait for the day when NASA will transport 2 top tennis players to the moon for a scifi exo

Q. Do you think you would have been able to play as well as you played today, or you think you would have pulled out from the game if it wasn't the Masters Cup final?

ROGER FEDERER: No, Roger Federer doesn't pull out. Otherwise he doesn't walk on court (smiling).


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Fed vs Nad on fast hardcourts
Seems like we'll never know.



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Seems like we'll never know.
Something tells me this USOpen will tell us smth abt it

Q. Do you think you would have been able to play as well as you played today, or you think you would have pulled out from the game if it wasn't the Masters Cup final?

ROGER FEDERER: No, Roger Federer doesn't pull out. Otherwise he doesn't walk on court (smiling).


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Re: Fed vs Nad on fast hardcourts

things are not that simple, you always have to take form, H2H, confidence etc into account. Tennis isn't mathematics. Clearly Fed did better in the past, but that's no guarantee he'll ship the US Open.
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Re: Fed vs Nad on fast hardcourts

I've never been to Indian Wells. How would you describe that court?

Nadal has won twice there I think. The court always appears medium slow to me but the balls are light and do they play in altitude there? And the balls fly through the air quicker?

Why would Nadal do better at Indian Wells than some of the other events?
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Why would Nadal do better at Indian Wells than some of the other events?
It's a mistery to me.
Nadal is a good HC player, no doubt abt it.
Only not a natural on the surface.
So this means he can be blown off the court by some of the good defensive-offensive players out there (like Djokovic, davydenko, cilic).
Maybe not meating them and being well rested and full of hunger and confidence was the key for him.

And Fed limping, also
(ok, I'm mean)

Q. Do you think you would have been able to play as well as you played today, or you think you would have pulled out from the game if it wasn't the Masters Cup final?

ROGER FEDERER: No, Roger Federer doesn't pull out. Otherwise he doesn't walk on court (smiling).


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It's a mistery to me.
Nadal is a good HC player, no doubt abt it.
Only not a natural on the surface.
So this means he can be blown off the court by some of the good defensive-offensive players out there (like Djokovic, davydenko, cilic).
Maybe not meating them and being well rested and full of hunger and confidence was the key for him.

And Fed limping, also
(ok, I'm mean)
Well Clay Death started that thread about Nadal winning the US Open. I was one of the first to reply and I said it would be extremely difficult for Nadal to win the US Open.

For the reasons you said. If we look at what happened in the semis in 2008 and 2009, Nadal struggles against guys who attack him and put the pressure on. And in previous years there Youzny and Blake stretched him a lot with the backhand down the line tactic.

The reason Nadal struggles is the ball shoots through on the fast hard courts, he's often rushed. Plus in North America those Wilson and Penn balls are different to the Slazenger balls at Wimbledon for instance. They really aid attacking aggressive players.

I still think Nadal is not able to win the US Open this year, it would be nice if he pulled it off but it would be a huge surprise - there are too many big hitters around on the hard courts.
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